Larry Brown and SMU Post Season Ban

[Goose85]

Lack of control. No post season for SMU this year. Loss of scholarships.
Assistant completes work for player so he can gain eligibility.


http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25321285/ncaa-hits-smu-with-postseason-ban

[TheSultan]

NCAA couldn't get their act together in time for the players to transfer out, so now the seniors don't get a chance for one more post season tournament. They pretty much threw the book at Brown.

https://twitter.com/lukewinn/status/648878724134346752

[TulsaWarrior]

Historically SMU and Larry Brown have done business the same way.

[TheSultan]

And really, what incentive did Larry Brown have to play by the rules this time? He's 75 years old.

[MayorBeluga]

So SMU is basically claiming Brown is too old to understand NCAA rules? It's the Uncle Leo defense!

[Markedman]

So SMU is basically claiming Brown is too old to understand NCAA rules? It's the Uncle Leo defense!

I prefer Sargent Schultz!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVG1q49yPaY

[Markedman]

@FOX4: "Coach Brown has my full support going forward." - SMU President Turner.

[TheSultan]

@FOX4: "Coach Brown has my full support going forward." - SMU President Turner.


President Turner - the former co-chair of the Knight Commission on athletic reform.

[Markedman]

So they are cheating at men's golf now as well? LoL.......I mean what's next! Women's volleyball?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bad-horseplay--smu-s-time-as-part-of-ncaa-should-be-over-195905029.html

[MUAlphaBangura]

Was in Las Vegas this summer during the time of one of the bigger summer basketball tournies out there. Walking thru the Wynn hotel/casino and see Jim Boeheim standing there talking with 2 SMU assistants. Couldn't help myself. Me to them--- "Comparing notes?" Didn't wait for a response.

[IrwinFletcher]

I will have faith in the NCAA if and only if they come down harshly on UNC. If they don't, then it is clear that the organization is a complete farce, though many believe it already is.

Why do schools keep hiring guys like Brown? Why do parents keep sending their kids to play for guys like Brown? I just don't get it.

[Nukem2]

I will have faith in the NCAA if and only if they come down harshly on UNC. If they don't, then it is clear that the organization is a complete farce, though many believe it already is.

Why do schools keep hiring guys like Brown? Why do parents keep sending their kids to play for guys like Brown? I just don't get it.

It's $$$$ on both sides. Schools to build their BB programs to help visibility with donors and TE parents and their kids want to have the best chance at the NBA $$$$$.

[TheSultan]

It's $$$$ on both sides. Schools to build their BB programs to help visibility with donors and TE parents and their kids want to have the best chance at the NBA $$$$$.


Furthermore, the kids aren't punished at all. Chris Webber got Michigan in all sorts of trouble, but he still got his NBA millions and a post-retirement gig working television. There was really no objective downside for him taking money from a booster. Really if you are a one and done player who doesn't give a rip about the NCAA's rules, why not sell yourself out to the highest bidder?

[Markedman]

Furthermore, the kids aren't punished at all. Chris Webber got Michigan in all sorts of trouble, but he still got his NBA millions and a post-retirement gig working television. There was really no objective downside for him taking money from a booster. Really if you are a one and done player who doesn't give a rip about the NCAA's rules, why not sell yourself out to the highest bidder?


Because you don't want to disgrace the school, forfeit games and any NCAA success and destroy lasting memories for your college teammates?

Just think if it came out that Okafor took impermisable benefits. How bad would he feel to have deprived the other guys on that team a national championship?

Can't speak for him but it would eat me up.

[TheSultan]

Because you don't want to disgrace the school, forfeit games and any NCAA success and destroy lasting memories for your college teammates?


Well the point is that I don't think many of these players care enough about the school to worry about disgracing it.

[MKE_GoldenEagleFan]

Well the point is that I don't think many of these players care enough about the school to worry about disgracing it.

To be honest, I would blame the school more for the disgrace and ruining your teammates memories because they shouldn't have offered the cash in the first place... At the same point, the NCAA can take down banners and take the trophies, but it can't erase the memories or the experience those guys went through.

Even for the fans, I'd love the journey of MU winning a national title, even if it was revoked a year or 10 years later I would still have gotten to enjoy it in the moment... Now of course I'd prefer them to win it in a legit way, but I think these days that's pretty difficult to do.

[Gato78]

The universities need to make sure they are ethical institutions that are giving their own students the right example about how to be ethical doctors, lawyers, teachers, business people, nurses, engineers etc. That should be the focus. How is Larry Brown and his staff enhancing or detracting from the reputation of his own religious employer? SMU, with its history of infractions, should fire the entire staff. If the rules are strictly enforced, the non-cheaters have a level playing field. Even Dick Vitale spoke out against Larry Brown today.

[TheSultan]

The universities need to make sure they are ethical institutions that are giving their own students the right example about how to be ethical doctors, lawyers, teachers, business people, nurses, engineers etc. That should be the focus. How is Larry Brown and his staff enhancing or detracting from the reputation of his own religious employer? SMU, with its history of infractions, should fire the entire staff. If the rules are strictly enforced, the non-cheaters have a level playing field. Even Dick Vitale spoke out against Larry Brown today.



This is what I just can't wrap my head around. This is a school whose basketball coach attempted to cover up academic fraud, and he has the President's "full support?" Seriously how can an institution of higher education, especially one of the caliber of SMU, have an employee that engages in this type of behavior and publicly have the full support of its leader?

Just bizarre.

[Goose85]

I will have faith in the NCAA if and only if they come down harshly on UNC. If they don't, then it is clear that the organization is a complete farce, though many believe it already is.

Why do schools keep hiring guys like Brown? Why do parents keep sending their kids to play for guys like Brown? I just don't get it.

The NCAA tells everyone that nobody would talk in the Duke / Lance Thomas $100K of jewelry case so they couldn't do anything about it.
The NCAA tells Miami (football) that because people were not cooperating they would assume guilt.
USC football gets the book thrown at them as USC coaches should have known that Reggie Bush's mom had her apartment paid for (not in the same city), yet USC hoops gets a far lesser penalty despite what many thought were worse transgressions.

The NCAA doesn't make any money on football, but they make a ton on basketball and Duke is the meal ticket so no way are they going to mess with Coach K. Larry Brown and SMU, that's ok, hit him a bit and it makes them look like they are doing something.

One player at SMU gets them a one year post season ban and the coach a 9 game suspension. How many players were involved in academic issues at UNC? What will UNC and Roy get?

[CaribouJim]

One player at SMU gets them a one year post season ban and the coach a 9 game suspension. How many players were involved in academic issues at UNC? What will UNC and Roy get?

Yes, the UNC stuff was much, much more wide spread on multiple levels. Will be interesting to see what happens there.

BTW, Larry looked and sounded every bit his 75 years old in the press conference.

[TheSultan]

There are pretty significant differences between SMU and UNC. In the SMU case, an athletic department academic advisor completed coursework for a student athlete under the guise of an assistant coach. A very specific case that was focused on the athletic department in clear violation of NCAA rules.

The UNC case was an institution wide issue that "benefited" both SAs and non-SAs. Believe it or not, the scope of the UNC scandal is probably a mitigating factor. And this is why the NCAA is going to have a problem. They aren't going to be able to prove that athletic department officials engaged in any wrong doing outside of "Hey, go to this class. It's easy."

[IWB]

That is true Sultan, but that doesn't mean the NCAA can't do something. The NCAA can always issue an athletic department wide penalty. Not fair? Too bad - blame it on the University that supported a fake class.

It was said above that so many of these penalties are not fair to the kids that weren't paid, that did it the right way etc. That is true, but the NCAA has to levy a punishment and that is the result. Why can't it be done on a University wide level? You created and supported a fake class? Every sport is banned from post season for one year and all academic records must be audited for 5 years. Tennis team says, "What? We didn't have anything to do with this?" Tough sh*t, your university cheated.

[IWB]

One more thing to add.....So many of the self proclaimed power five conferences are claiming that the NCAA should have less power, that they should go on their own. BS - the NCAA should have more power and they should be staffed to adequately enforce the rules that they have.

[TheSultan]

One more thing to add.....So many of the self proclaimed power five conferences are claiming that the NCAA should have less power, that they should go on their own. BS - the NCAA should have more power and they should be staffed to adequately enforce the rules that they have.


The Power 5 is making the NCAA the scapegoat for what is wrong with athletics. There is zero chance they are going to get significantly more funding for enforcement. In fact part of me wonders if the whole Penn State punishment was done as an overeach to make the NCAA look bad.

Look, the Power 5 has the money because they have most of the eyeballs. They are controlling college athletics right now.

[BLT]

Speaking of the UNC scandal, what in the hell is taking so long?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/08/14/north-carolina-tar-heels-violations-ncaa/31725969/

[TheSultan]

Speaking of the UNC scandal, what in the hell is taking so long?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/08/14/north-carolina-tar-heels-violations-ncaa/31725969/


The article addresses why.

"New information discovered by the University of North Carolina while preparing its response to alleged NCAA rules violations could further delay resolution to the years-long inquiry into bogus Afro-American Studies courses to help keep athletes eligible.

North Carolina athletics director Bubba Cunningham said Friday additional violations were discovered in women’s basketball and men’s soccer and submitted to the NCAA enforcement staff. The women's basketball violations are consistent, he said, with the NCAA’s allegation that former professor and women’s basketball tutor Jan Boxill provided improper academic assistance. They were discovered while the university was reviewing documents for public release related to the case."

[BLT]

The article addresses why.

"New information discovered by the University of North Carolina while preparing its response to alleged NCAA rules violations could further delay resolution to the years-long inquiry into bogus Afro-American Studies courses to help keep athletes eligible.

North Carolina athletics director Bubba Cunningham said Friday additional violations were discovered in women’s basketball and men’s soccer and submitted to the NCAA enforcement staff. The women's basketball violations are consistent, he said, with the NCAA’s allegation that former professor and women’s basketball tutor Jan Boxill provided improper academic assistance. They were discovered while the university was reviewing documents for public release related to the case."


I get that. It has been 4+ years and UNC is still throwing out further smoke screens and delays. Ridiculous and shameful. Nail their asses and be done with it.

[TheSultan]

They aren't going to nail their asses to the wall.

[IWB]

Sultan - a couple of things.....

Ok, I'm sorry, but the fact that your athletics director is named "Bubba Cunningham" should be reasonable cause to investigate the entire department right there.

Next - Yes you are correct that the power 5 have all of the eyeballs and they are controlling athletics. True, but that doesn't mean they should be able to cheat. Why did they go at Penn State so hard? Was it to make the the NCAA the scapegoat? No, it was done because the feds were involved with the investigation at Penn State. Get the feds involved and the Power 5 can't control and bury things.

Lance Thomas came to light because the authorities were involved - a sudden payoff to the jewelry store ended that. But why won't the authorities/feds/IRS get involved? Thomas' $90k necklace - where did the down payment come from? He had cash, likely a gift. If I got a gift of $35 let alone $35k, somehow some way the IRS would be 'adjusting my taxes'.

So why is it that these cheaters give kids cars, cash, their parents cars and cash and houses....why does the DOR or IRS never sniff that? NEVER! Sure, coaches will never turn each other in, but why won't the gov't go after the obvious? I was at a campus down South a few years ago. The basketball team was going through workouts. Right in from was a brand new hot rod of a car. (Can't remember, Mustang? Corvette? Goo, you were there). Anyway, it was obvious that it was a player's because his parking pass was hanging from the rearview. The assistant coaches all come out first, and they are all checking out this car - hearing them talk you knew they all wished they could have a car like that - but it was a 19 year old student's car, a basketball player that came from a poor background. Why are these things NEVER looked into by the local DOR or federal IRS? Probably too busy hitting up people for seat license fees.

[Phantom Warrior]

IWB,

You sound a bit IRRITATED!

[MayorBeluga]

Lance Thomas came to light because the authorities were involved - a sudden payoff to the jewelry store ended that. But why won't the authorities/feds/IRS get involved? Thomas' $90k necklace - where did the down payment come from? He had cash, likely a gift. If I got a gift of $35 let alone $35k, somehow some way the IRS would be 'adjusting my taxes'.


No they wouldn't. The IRS doesn't focus on the recipient of the gift, but instead focuses on the donor who is responsible for filing the gift tax return for a gift in excess of $14,000 annually. That means the player is not responsible for reporting the gift. Now, if the amount received was in return for services provided (playing basketball for a particular school) or as a bribe to do something (such as sign with a particular school) then it's different. Let's be clear with language here. The payment to Lance Thomas may have constituted a bribe to keep quiet (law enforcement then should be involved), or it could have been considered compensation for services such as playing at Duke which means it would be taxable to him.

[Goose85]

No they wouldn't. The IRS doesn't focus on the recipient of the gift, but instead focuses on the donor who is responsible for filing the gift tax return for a gift in excess of $14,000 annually. That means the player is not responsible for reporting the gift. Now, if the amount received was in return for services provided (playing basketball for a particular school) or as a bribe to do something (such as sign with a particular school) then it's different. Let's be clear with language here. The payment to Lance Thomas may have constituted a bribe to keep quiet (law enforcement then should be involved), or it could have been considered compensation for services such as playing at Duke which means it would be taxable to him.

So Lance Thomas received upwards of $100K, but what you are saying is he doesn't have to file anything tax wise, it is just the person who gave him the gift that needs to file the gift on his/her taxes?

[MayorBeluga]

So Lance Thomas received upwards of $100K, but what you are saying is he doesn't have to file anything tax wise, it is just the person who gave him the gift that needs to file the gift on his/her taxes?

IWB posed it as a gift. If the transfer truly was a gift, then yes. If however it is a bribe (possible) to perhaps keep quiet, then it's a different issue where law enforcement would be involved.

Chances are the IRS would be better arguing that the payment was compensation, in which case the payer missed out on the deduction but regardless the recipient would be required to include the amount on his 1040 as taxable income.

If the payment was made via check, then it's traceable. If cash, then there are bank reporting requirements.

[IWB]

IWB,

You sound a bit IRRITATED!

The illegal stuff always Irritates me. I know of kids who......
Wanted to transfer out of a school and were told, "Leave and we'll tell everyone where you got that car."
Wanted to stay in school and were told, "You turn pro or I'll tell everyone who paid for your cell the last 4 years."
Wanted to go to a school but was told, "If you don't go over here I will kick your young siblings out of my house."
Wanted to narrow his list down but was told he had a press conference to announce scheduled because dad took $5k.

I know of guys getting payments, parents getting payments, people getting cars, parents getting jobs....

It goes on and on and on, and all everyone says it, "It happens more than you think."

Why won't anyone ever do anything about it? Why does everyone turn the blind eye? Bruce Pearl, that's why. Bruce Pearl while at Iowa turned in Illinois. The coaching fraternity shunned him and he was banished to D2 for years. No one wants that, so no one says a word. That is why I feel it has to come from elsewhere, but where? Who?

Its a freaking joke. Majority comes from street agents or the shoe companies, the rest from boosters, but nothing will ever happen to them, they just keep cashing in.

[Halo]

The illegal stuff always Irritates me. I know of kids who......
Wanted to transfer out of a school and were told, "Leave and we'll tell everyone where you got that car."
Wanted to stay in school and were told, "You turn pro or I'll tell everyone who paid for your cell the last 4 years."
Wanted to go to a school but was told, "If you don't go over here I will kick your young siblings out of my house."
Wanted to narrow his list down but was told he had a press conference to announce scheduled because dad took $5k.

I know of guys getting payments, parents getting payments, people getting cars, parents getting jobs....

It goes on and on and on, and all everyone says it, "It happens more than you think."

Why won't anyone ever do anything about it? Why does everyone turn the blind eye? Bruce Pearl, that's why. Bruce Pearl while at Iowa turned in Illinois. The coaching fraternity shunned him and he was banished to D2 for years. No one wants that, so no one says a word. That is why I feel it has to come from elsewhere, but where? Who?

Its a freaking joke. Majority comes from street agents or the shoe companies, the rest from boosters, but nothing will ever happen to them, they just keep cashing in.


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Brat Haze wrote:
Another good article:

http://wisconsin.247sports.com/Bolt/Ryan-I-dont-deal-with-third-parties-39848534
"I don't deal with third parties," Ryan said. "Third parties to me are the parents. I don't get into the other stuff.

"If someone is going to be here, work with us, and make that commitment, we don't need any outside influences trying to determine what we're doing.

"Because we do our thing."



BTW, there is a basketball board ;-)

I love this. And in arguments with my Gold friends during the Buzz era Bo also doesn't

Promise playing time
Want to be your father
Tell you how he is going to get you into the NBA
Tell you you won't have to worry about school


He says one thing: " I will work really hard to make you the best you can be and if you do the same and study...good things can happen"


It's amazing more "parents" don't think the same way.

[TheSultan]

Sultan - a couple of things.....

Ok, I'm sorry, but the fact that your athletics director is named "Bubba Cunningham" should be reasonable cause to investigate the entire department right there.

Next - Yes you are correct that the power 5 have all of the eyeballs and they are controlling athletics. True, but that doesn't mean they should be able to cheat. Why did they go at Penn State so hard? Was it to make the the NCAA the scapegoat? No, it was done because the feds were involved with the investigation at Penn State. Get the feds involved and the Power 5 can't control and bury things.


I can't think of many things I would like less than getting the feds more involved with collegiate sports. There really is no need. If the NCAA is so concerned about the amateur status of its athletes, than the NCAA should police itself. And if the P5 don't care enough to fund the NCAA properly, then they don't care all that much about amateur status.

[IWB]

First off, no - I don't want the Feds involved in collegiate sports, I was just saying that is the only way the cheating will ever be exposed, slowed down or stopped.

The NCAA should police itself? For what?

The P5 don't give a crap about amateur status - they have made that clear.

And a comment on the above post from the Badger Board..... No, Bo doesn't deal with third parties. Not even when they were a finalist for Kevon Looney. Yep. Right.

[Halo]

First off, no - I don't want the Feds involved in collegiate sports, I was just saying that is the only way the cheating will ever be exposed, slowed down or stopped.

The NCAA should police itself? For what?

The P5 don't give a crap about amateur status - they have made that clear.

And a comment on the above post from the Badger Board..... No, Bo doesn't deal with third parties. Not even when they were a finalist for Kevon Looney. Yep. Right.

Butch Badger said it and he's a close insider, so I assumed it was true.

[Phantom Warrior]

Here's a question: which organization is more ineffective - the NCAA or the federal government (especially the legislative branch)?

[MUfan12]

Only a UW article would see this as some sort of badge of honor- "In his 15-year tenure with the Badgers, Ryan has only signed one McDonald's All-American and never had a one-and-done player in his system."

[TheSultan]

First off, no - I don't want the Feds involved in collegiate sports, I was just saying that is the only way the cheating will ever be exposed, slowed down or stopped.

The NCAA should police itself? For what?

The P5 don't give a crap about amateur status - they have made that clear.


Well then I guess we are going to have to be comfortable with quasi-amateurs playing the game.

[farmerdoc]

Actually, I would invite the federal government to investigate the amateur status of collegiate athletics. If the colleges are going to become semi pro, what stops them from becoming farm clubs to major leagues? I don't think the power five actually want that. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

If the government hitting them in the pocket book it the way to clean up the NCAA and the power 5, I'm not necessarily against it.

[Phantom Warrior]

For the record, Bo had two Mickey D A-A's in Butch and Dekker.

[MUfan12]

For the record, Bo had two Mickey D A-A's in Butch and Dekker.

Dekker wasn't.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Dekker wasn't.

Correct. Probably should have been, but for whatever reason, wasn't. Consensus top-20 kid per RSCI.

[TheSultan]

Actually, I would invite the federal government to investigate the amateur status of collegiate athletics. If the colleges are going to become semi pro, what stops them from becoming farm clubs to major leagues? I don't think the power five actually want that. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

If the government hitting them in the pocket book it the way to clean up the NCAA and the power 5, I'm not necessarily against it.


Why? What federal interest is there?

[farmerdoc]

Why? What federal interest is there?

One could easily argue that the interest of the American public, taxpayer etc... Many of the power 5 schools are taxpayer funded state run institutions, multiple states, all receive federal funds...Therefore all institutions taking those funds can be subjected to the whims of the federal government. If enough people wail loud enough about the NCAA and Power 5, the federal government could potentially be goaded into action.

How about equal rights for athletes not talented enough to make it at a power 5 school? Just cuz I'm not talented enough to play for a power 5 school, I should be treated differently/given less benefits?

The federal government has expanded its reach many times into areas where it could be argued there was not a federal interest.

[TheSultan]

One could easily argue that the interest of the American public, taxpayer etc... Many of the power 5 schools are taxpayer funded state run institutions, multiple states, all receive federal funds...Therefore all institutions taking those funds can be subjected to the whims of the federal government. If enough people wail loud enough about the NCAA and Power 5, the federal government could potentially be goaded into action.

How about equal rights for athletes not talented enough to make it at a power 5 school? Just cuz I'm not talented enough to play for a power 5 school, I should be treated differently/given less benefits?

The federal government has expanded its reach many times into areas where it could be argued there was not a federal interest.


Most of America roots for the Power 5, and I think many don't really care all that much about the amateur status of college athletes. It just really isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things.

[farmerdoc]

[QUOTE=TheSultan;108692]Most of America roots for the Power 5, and I think many don't really care all that much about the amateur status of college athletes. It just really isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things.[/QUOT

I believe "most of America" is a reach. And the bottom dwellers in the power 5 all want to believe they "do it right". Those fans think their programs do not cheat, which is why they are perennial doormats. Really think they wouldn't want the playing field leveled (in their opinions)?

I'm not talking about big donors, or even little donors, I'm talking about John and Jane Q. Public. They still have a sense of right and wrong, good and bad, professional and amateur.

Remember, the power 5 is what 60 ish schools, out of 330+ for D-1 hoops, and how many total colleges?

[Goose85]

Why? What federal interest is there?

There was a lot of 'federal' interest when old Mitch McConnell was talking to the Big 12 and ACC about Louisville.
I think the reason why the other 5 get a shot at a New Year's Day bowl and some of the playoff money is because of some senate pressure to ensure their home state schools were not completely screwed. I recall Orin Hatch making a big stink back when Urban Meyer was the Utah coach and the Utes were being left out of the big bowl game discussion.

Bottom line is there are billions of dollars flying around and a ton of money being spent, all for tax exempt university athletic departments, and millions of dollars of donations going to these departments as well. Doesn't mean they will do anything about it, but at some point they may look at the tax exempt status of athletic departments.

[Gato78]

The federal interest is taxation of income, interstate commerce and anti-trust regulation. There is a significant federal interest. The problem is the Big 5 conferences have their home state senators in their back pockets. They can filibuster any proposed federal legislation that would be detrimental to their home state teams.

[MayorBeluga]

It's well past time to strip college athletics of tax exempt status. The conferences sell their product for billions of dollars. They should be taxed on that revenue, just like the Big Ten should be taxed on their ownership stake in the Big Ten Network as unrelated business activity. Strip the deduction for donations to athletics too. If the colleges don't even try to pretend anymore that their in it for education, let's treat them as the minor leagues they are.

[MayorBeluga]

They can filibuster any proposed federal legislation that would be detrimental to their home state teams.

Thankfully we live in a quiet period of history and nothing is going on in the world which should occupy their collective attention. Sigh.

[TheSultan]

There was a lot of 'federal' interest when old Mitch McConnell was talking to the Big 12 and ACC about Louisville.
I think the reason why the other 5 get a shot at a New Year's Day bowl and some of the playoff money is because of some senate pressure to ensure their home state schools were not completely screwed. I recall Orin Hatch making a big stink back when Urban Meyer was the Utah coach and the Utes were being left out of the big bowl game discussion.


And...nothing happened.

[TheSultan]

It's well past time to strip college athletics of tax exempt status. The conferences sell their product for billions of dollars. They should be taxed on that revenue, just like the Big Ten should be taxed on their ownership stake in the Big Ten Network as unrelated business activity. Strip the deduction for donations to athletics too. If the colleges don't even try to pretend anymore that their in it for education, let's treat them as the minor leagues they are.


I don't have a problem with calling intercollegiate athletics an unrelated business expense. Just know that it will likely hit the smaller schools harder.

[Goose85]

And...nothing happened.

Louisville is now in the ACC, and the little guys do get a small sliver of the pie.

When the playoffs expand to 8 teams, that is when it will get interesting.

[TheSultan]

Louisville is now in the ACC, and the little guys do get a small sliver of the pie.

When the playoffs expand to 8 teams, that is when it will get interesting.


Louisville got into the ACC because they were the best program available. And a little sliver of the pie is a little sliver of the pie.