Providence Game Thread

[Nukem2]

Here we go. This is not a Juan game right off the bat.

[MUMac]

And just like that, down 10.

[Markedman]

Our zone offense is hard to watch......Bad Mayo is here

[goldenlegal22]

Watching any team play zone against us is just painful. We have the same option every time when we pass to the high post. If that doesn't work, then the offense just caves. Have to find another way around that if the entry pass isn't there and we seem to struggle with that.

[MU_Iceman]

Not sure why Buzz isn't using his hockey line substitutions against them like he did last time. That worked beautifully.

[CaribouJim]

Come on guys - playing crappy but only down 3 so let's take advantage of it.

[RJax55]

I love Burton's talent, but I worry about his basketball IQ.

[MUMac]

Come on guys - playing crappy but only down 3 so let's take advantage of it.

Only playing crappy on O. MU's defense has been very good.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

I've never seen a team so scared to shoot the three. Jamil and Todd pass on more open threes in hopes of an inside look.

And man...Burton is a black hole. Can't believe he got an assist tonight. Of course, then he went up into 3 guys, so I guess that normalizes things.

[MUMac]

I've never seen a team so scared to shoot the three. Jamil and Todd pass on more open threes in hopes of an inside look.

And man...Burton is a black hole. Can't believe he got an assist tonight. Of course, then he went up into 3 guys, so I guess that normalizes things.

And on cue, Mayo misses a deep 3 and Jamil hits a wide open one on the same set! Followed by another made 3 by Mayo on the next set.

[goldenlegal22]

DG and CO in now. First time I've seen this lineup in a long time.

[CaribouJim]

Nice post feeds by Dawson.

[CaribouJim]

Damn it for cripes sake.

[RJax55]

Yikes, why is Thomas shooting with 9 seconds left.

[goldenlegal22]

Terrible D to end the half. Just let the guy come right down the middle and no one stopped ball. Can't give them those looks after fighting back to even it up.

[Markedman]

Wow....Thomas misses a perfectly executed inbounds play and then with a foul to give we let Henton make one at the buzzer.........nice comeback though

[Nukem2]

Jake and Derrick with a donut in first half......

[MUMac]

Not sure I understood the 3 attempt by Thomas. Not the shot itself, but the timing. Allowed PC to come down and take the lead at the half. You can't allow a team to get the last shot when you have the ball with 9 to go in the half.

[MayorBeluga]

Yikes, why is Thomas shooting with 9 seconds left.

Open look off an inbounds play. He hits that pretty consistently. Just missed it.

[Markedman]

Derrick against a zone isn't going to score.....Thomas(like most of our offensive guys) is feast or famine it seems

[MUMac]

Open look off an inbounds play. He hits that pretty consistently. Just missed it.

Yeah, but not sure why you are setting up the inbounds for a shot with that much time left on the clock. That was the point, not that Thomas took and missed a wide open 3.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Defense got us back in this, kept us close enough so we could run back at them. Last 9 seconds were disappointing but I'll take a 2-point deficit. Was afraid they'd run away from us like 'Nova did.

[goldenlegal22]

One of the best plays of not just that half but the whole season was seeing Dawson step in on the zone, split the top two and make a free throw jumper. Not only does that collapse the D and open up the wings for an open look, drive or dump down, it makes the D step up to respect that move and open the high post back up. If DWil could just step in and threaten a move like that, it would change the looks we get against a zone. He doesn't need to shoot it, but just make the move and a quick pass.

[MUfan12]

Was afraid they'd run away from us like 'Nova did.

Second half hasn't started yet.

[Orlando]

The frustrating part about watching us this year is how long it takes us to build leads or come back from deficits as opposed to how quickly our opponents go on runs. It seemed like Providence got their 10 point lead in a heartbeat, while it took us about 15 minutes to catch them. It is exhausting to watch.

[Nukem2]

Get Juan out of there

[TheSultan]

I'll be honest...I am really struggling to see what Juan is bringing to the floor lately.

[MUMac]

Juan really is hurting MU tonight. Both offensively and defensively. That drive into traffic was not needed. Play the 3 guards and keep Juan on the bench.

[ge1974]

Last 9 seconds were disappointing but Jake had a decent look. What bugs me is that Marquette had a foul to give and should have fouled Henton as he moved close to midcourt.

By the way, when LaDonte Henton decommitted from Dayton when Brian Gregory left for Georgia Tech, I emailed Buzz and told him we should go after him immediatley. Buzz, responded to me, "Is he any good?". I think Buzz is finding out for himself this year just how good Henton is (14 pts 6 rebounds at the half). In the first game this year Henton had 18 pts and 5 rebounds against us.

[Markedman]

Derrick and Jake not getting it done.....

[Markedman]

Brutal...offense to start the half again......

[MUMac]

come on Jake take the damn 3. What are you on the court for?!?

[RJax55]

Derrick and Jake not getting it done.....

Buzz needs to get them out.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

I'm so sick of hearing the physical play is "Big East basketball". Not this year it isn't.

[goldenlegal22]

I would really like to hear an explanation on that D.Wilson "offensive foul."

[Markedman]

Henton has half of their friggin points.......maybe cover him?

[Markedman]

Is it my imagination or is Buzz micromanaging the offense more this year? It seems like everytime down the court he is calling a play.......Might just be a bi-product of the team he has this year

[MUMac]

I would really like to hear an explanation on that D.Wilson "offensive foul."

Live, it looked like he pushed off on the defensive player with his arm to open space for Thomas. Seeing the replay, it was incidental contact.

[MUMac]

I hate seeing Derrick Wilson on a breakaway. Has he made one this year?

[IWB]

Is it my imagination or is Buzz micromanaging the offense more this year? It seems like everytime down the court he is calling a play.......Might just be a bi-product of the team he has this year

Yes, started doing that a few weeks ago. Not because of micro-managing, but because they needed to find ways to score because players weren't getting it done on their own.

[goldenlegal22]

That is 3 times tonight Jamil has tried to throw one down from Lebron James territory. Make the lay up or draw the foul.

[Markedman]

Derrick with a nice steal and then blows the layup...and then Jamil tries some sort of throw down shot from 5 feet away......just ugly

[TheSultan]

This game has become completely symbolic of the season. Really can't figure out anything for long stretches of time.

[Orlando]

Derrick seems agitated and is a little out of control right now. Might be a good time for a breather.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Derrick's layup attempt there was pathetic, only made better by Jamil's ridiculous attempt at dunking through 3 guys from 8 feet out.

[MUMac]

Derrick seems agitated and is a little out of control right now. Might be a good time for a breather.

Buzz heard you. Dawson then makes a nice offensive move and bucket, again. Followed up with a boneheaded foul on a Cotton 3.

[Orlando]

Gotta watch the fouling. These guys are deadly when they get in the bonus.

[Markedman]

Just dumb......team just does not play smart

[Markedman]

You can really see flashes with Dawson

[goldenlegal22]

You can really see flashes with Dawson

And now those flashes are back on the bench. Maybe try him at 2G so D.Wilson can stay on Cotton?

[TheSultan]

Cmon....Dawson should have been ridden more there.

[MUMac]

WOW, Burton is unbelievable down low. He is so fun to watch.

[Markedman]

So back to back great 3 point plays by Burton...and then we foul them in the backcourt....and give them the lead back

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

I love what I see from Burton, love and hate.

[MU_Iceman]

WOW, Burton is unbelievable down low. He is so fun to watch.

Until he throws up something stupid and it leads to a basket by the other team.

[MUMac]

Cmon....Dawson should have been ridden more there.

Is Buzz going offense/defense with Dawson and DWill?

[Orlando]

Our freshmen are like The Lord. They giveth and they taketh away.

[RJax55]

WOW, Burton is unbelievable down low. He is so fun to watch.

Then a horrible foul... Real question marks about his basketball IQ

[MUMac]

Until he throws up something stupid and it leads to a basket by the other team.

I guess we see different things ...:confused:

[MUMac]

Our freshmen are like The Lord. They giveth and they taketh away.

LOL, very true.

[Markedman]

No he isn't.....

Gardner has to finish that....great offense perfectly run and he can't finish


And now those flashes are back on the bench. Maybe try him at 2G so D.Wilson can stay on Cotton?

[MUMac]

No he isn't.....

Gardner has to finish that....great offense perfectly run and he can't finish

Gardner has not finished all night. They have been swatting everything he throws up, away.

[Markedman]

I fear the foul line might be the difference.....already in the bonus and the best free throw shooting team in the country

[MUMac]

If they are calling the screen fouls against MU, why wasn't DesRosiers a foul on Cotton's 3? Moving and pushed his forearm out against Wilson to make the space for Cotton.

[Orlando]

Can't let them get away from us again. We don't have the requisite 15 minutes it takes us to claw back into games.

[Markedman]

Providence heating up from the perimeter.......running their stuff and knocking them down

[TheSultan]

Terrible shot selection by Burton there.

[MUMac]

Providence heating up from the perimeter.......running their stuff and knocking them down

While Jake and Jamil are clanking them.

[Markedman]

ballgame......................

[Markedman]

Buzz could you please put Dawson back in.........

[Orlando]

If he misses both free throws you have to think about taking him out. He's not helping.

[MUfan12]

They're just... so... bad.

[MUMac]

When DWill misses his FT's. does not just miss the FT, he misses them as badly as any center that ever played the game.

[MUMac]

Buzz could you please put Dawson back in.........

Maybe the officials will help, because buzz doesn't seem to see it.

[CaribouJim]

Where is Dawson and deonte?

[Orlando]

I don't want to be mean, but I'm kinda hoping he fouls out.

[MUMac]

Where is Dawson and deonte?

Don't you know, we need the defensive players on the floor ...

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Seems like every touch foul goes against us and Providence gets protected. They've had no depth for 2 years and it always seems the refs swallow the whistle when any Friars get in foul trouble.

We aren't losing because of that, it's poor execution on offense, but it sure seems like PU gets the benefit of the doubt to let their 6 guys play.

[MayorBeluga]

Are we better with a point who won't shoot or one who takes bad shots?

[Nukem2]

Derrick and Juan need to come off the bench next year as energy guys. Fine young guys, but that should be their role.

[zklup54]

Derrick has definitley seen better days, offense is running a lot smoother with Dawson and he is at least a threat to score. Mayo is a little bit out of control right now, but I guess you have to be when noone else can score out there

[mufansince72]

Pieces just don't fit. No consistent shooters. Terrible point guard. Too many players with similar skill sets. Just a tip, if you can score, your defense doesn't need to be as good.

[MUMac]

Are we better with a point who won't shoot or one who takes bad shots?

Ah, wouldn't DWill qualify for both those comments? He doesn't shoot, but when he does, it certainly looks bad.

[CaribouJim]

We can't buy a basket and deonte and Dawson are sitting??????

[CaribouJim]

Jamil got fouled on that.

[TheSultan]

No ref is going to call a one armed fade away though.

[Markedman]

We pass up open looks to take shots like the one Jamil just missed..........

[CaribouJim]

Dawson is 2-2 from the field I think.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

We pass up open looks to take shots like the one Jamil just missed..........

Yup, this offense is just bad.

[MU_Iceman]

I'm sitting here thinking about all the people that made comments about how Buzz's teams always get better as the year goes on when they were struggling early. It makes me LOL.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Seriously, what was Todd thinking on that?

[zklup54]

Mayo out of control

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Wow Todd...amazing what happens when you actually take the wide open shot instead of up-faking into the trees.

[Awilhelmscream]

Why hasn't Mayo been taking those threes all night? He's had space all night.

[Markedman]

The sad part is Providence is really not playing all that well......they are giving us every chance to steal this and we can't seem to do it

[Markedman]

I wonder if it is because Buzz wants a paint touch before a 3 is shot?


Why hasn't Mayo been taking those threes all night? He's had space all night.

[Nukem2]

For all the negative Mayo comments, well he ain't the problem. Let's look elsewhere.

[mufansince72]

I'm sitting here thinking about all the people that made comments about how Buzz's teams always get better as the year goes on when they were struggling early. It makes me LOL.

They usually do get better. However, in my opinion he should have been playing the youngsters since earlier in the season in a more prominent role, as they have upside and are the future. They would have improved, as would the team. Not a lot of upside in guys like Dwill and I don't see the benefit of continuing to put him out there.

[Halo]

I think I may just be glad when this disastrous season is over. These guys are so hard to watch. Just a dumb team.

[MUAlphaBangura]

I'm sitting here thinking about all the people that made comments about how Buzz's teams always get better as the year goes on when they were struggling early. It makes me LOL.

I'm sitting here thinking about D-bags who can't figure out this year is an exception to Buzz's rule and l(ing)ol.

[Awilhelmscream]

For all the negative Mayo comments, well he ain't the problem. Let's look elsewhere.

Not being negative about Mayo but tell me it hasn't been infuriating to watch him pass those up all night. You're right though, least of the problems tonight.

[Orlando]

I can't believe we are still in this.

[CaribouJim]

Come on guys!!!!

[MUMac]

All the gushing about Cotton's pass, Mayo's was more impressive, and it lead to a hoop.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Tied it...and, let's give that lead back.

[CaribouJim]

Yes!!!!!!!!!

[Orlando]

That was big

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Wow Todd. Open threes are worth it!

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Saw that coming, lucky Cotton bricked the follow.

[Markedman]

Mayo has been the whole show.....too many turnovers but you live with the badx when he is doing the good

[Orlando]

No matter the result, tonight was a gutsy performance. Not smart or pretty, but gutsy.

[Markedman]

unreal...................

[Orlando]

Why does he keep doing that.

[MUMac]

How many times can you foul the 3 point shooter? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

This feels unwinnable. Every time something goes good, it pisses right back in our face.

[Halo]

This is laughable how poorly coached these guys are on fouling the 3 point shooter. Really, really bad. Don't recall seeing other teams foul like MU does on a 3 point shooter. May want to change your philosophy of jumping at the guys Buzz and just close out with a high hand.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

How do you give up the same four-point play twice?

[CaribouJim]

Can u believe that? Todd, if you get beat on the 3 let it go - don't compound it.

[MayorBeluga]

Mayo's plus/minus tonight not helped by giving up a pair of 4 point plays. Sigh

[Orlando]

Kids got a double double and he could be the goat. Never seen anything like it.

[Awilhelmscream]

This is laughable how poorly coached these guys are on fouling the 3 point shooter. Really, really bad. Don't recall seeing other teams foul like MU does on a 3 point shooter. May want to change your philosophy of jumping at the guys Buzz and just close out with a high hand.

Dom James says hi.

[RJax55]

Kids got a double double and he could be the goat. Never seen anything like it.

The goat is our starting back court scoring one point.

[CaribouJim]

Yessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!

[mufansince72]

Wow what a shot

[Orlando]

Damn. It won't count.

[Markedman]

Figures.......lol.......how many times can we make miracle shots that don't count? lol

[MUMac]

OMG, what an unbelievable finish. A hair late, but WOW.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Something good, and not so much. Twice we've had three-quarter court buzzer beaters waved off this year.

[MU_Iceman]

Damn, I honestly thought that was good till I saw the replay. :(

[CaribouJim]

Crapola - that would have been unreal.

[Halo]

I can't take it. Our season could be over by 0.5 seconds. Insane.

[TheSultan]

Damn, I honestly thought that was good till I saw the replay. :(


Ditto...never heard the horn.

[Orlando]

I swear someone has to be messing with us. These things don't happen.

[Markedman]

Does either team deserve to win this? =)

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Great fight back regardless. Any at-large hopes hinge on the next 5 minutes.

[MUMac]

Does either team deserve to win this? =)

Providence certainly doesn't. :)

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

I think Desrosiers fouled out on that possession alone.

[CaribouJim]

Davente looks gassed.

[Orlando]

Can we make it through the to without fouling a 3 pt shooter?

[MUMac]

That foul on Dawson is frustrating. They don't call it all game and call it now. Mayo and Jamil have gotten bumped worse on every drive.

[mufansince72]

You can't tell me that this team wouldn't have better off going with Dawson early in the year and letting him develop, and bringing Wilson off the bench for spot defensive minutes.

[CaribouJim]

What a wimpy call ref.

[Orlando]

Why tighten up the calls in ot? Those have not been fouls all game.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Mayo learned from that Cotton steal, pulled the ball up before giving it to Derrick.

[CaribouJim]

I picked a bad time to stop sniffing glue.

[mufansince72]

So you bring a guard in with 1:52 when you are losing who can't score, and can't shoot free throws. I just don't get it.

[CaribouJim]

Gol darn it!!!!

[RJax55]

So you bring a guard in with 1:52 when you are losing who can't score, and can't shoot free throws. I just don't get it.

Makes no sense.

[MUMac]

I don't think Jake will shoot in OT. DWill better not shoot in OT. Can you live with that? I am not sure.

[Markedman]

What a bounce....my god......

I wonder if anyone has ever won a game with 1 point from its starting back court?

[goldenlegal22]

Bench points for MU- 50. Total score- 65. No words.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Need to attack the rim. No Batts makes it easier, not desperation three time yet.

[Markedman]

Nice time to make your first shot of the game Jake

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

This is insane.

[Orlando]

This game is unbelievable.

[MU_Iceman]

MU never plays 2 for one late in games. It frustrates me to no end. At least leave fate in your hands and not theirs.

[Markedman]

wow.............

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Who needs to sleep anyway?

[MUMac]

WTF was Wilson doing? There were 8 seconds left and he is walking it up the court. Really? WOW, that is awful.

[goldenlegal22]

Why was Derrick taking his sweet as time coming up the court with 8 seconds left??

[Markedman]

Mayo has 4 fouls

[CaribouJim]

WTF was Wilson doing? There were 8 seconds left and he is walking it up the court. Really? WOW, that is awful.

Exactly - I was throwing stuff at the TV.

[Halo]

WTF was Wilson doing? There were 8 seconds left and he is walking it up the court. Really? WOW, that is awful.

No idea. Why not attack the damn rim there????? a 23 footer? Get the ball to Davante or something and draw the foul!

[Orlando]

Was it me or were we a bit lackadaisical on that last possession?

[mufansince72]

Why was Derrick taking his sweet as time coming up the court with 8 seconds left??

Because he doesn't have a clue what he is doing on the offensive side of the ball.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

How is that not a damn foul?

[CaribouJim]

Put Devante in ASAP.

[MUMac]

How is that not a damn foul?

Or two? Or three?

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Desrosiers should have more than five blocks? Certainly more than 5 fouls too.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Just once can we score when we have a lead? Have we had more than a 2 point lead since 4-0?

[MUMac]

What a dumb TO by DWilson. He is killing MU on offense all night long.

[Markedman]

I can't believe Derrick traveled with nobody covering him

[pbiflyer]

So, are they just going to call all the fouls against Marquette in OT? I am pretty sure that Providence hasn't been called for one.

[MUMac]

I can't believe Derrick traveled with nobody covering him

He should be used to nobody covering him by now ...

[MayorBeluga]

I can't believe Derrick traveled with nobody covering him

Really? All too believable.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

So, are they just going to call all the fouls against Marquette in OT? I am pretty sure that Providence hasn't been called for one.

Just the one Batts fouled out on.

[IWB]

How many times has Otule gotten hacked tonight with no foul called?

[CaribouJim]

Pleas God - throw us a bone.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Surprised they called that on Fortune. Figured they'd let him wrestle with Mayo for 10 seconds first.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

So...any thoughts of fouling here?

[MUMac]

So...any thoughts of fouling here?

Too much time on the clock to think about fouling.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Get it in to Mayo or Davante please.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Too much time on the clock to think about fouling.

Yeah, thought that as soon as I hit post :D

[MUMac]

Get it in to Mayo or Davante please.

Derrick better not even be close to the floor.

[Orlando]

Better be careful here. Cooley just told ref that i am not trying to foul, I am going for jump.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

So, uhh, the Harris push in the back not a foul? Of course not.

[CaribouJim]

Oh my God!!!!!!!!

[TheSultan]

That wasn't a foul....Thomas f*cked up.

[Markedman]

The finish to this game just sums up the year......so stupid

[MUMac]

I can't believe that. Horrible, just horrible by Thomas. Turned right into the defender.

[MUMac]

Our starting backcourt with the finish to the season.

[CaribouJim]

Can u freakin' believe that????

[Markedman]

Got what we deserved...great effort but had the game won and gave it away

[mufansince72]

I can't watch another season with Dwill as the starting point guard.

[MU_Iceman]

You gotta be F'n kidding me. Way to stick the dagger in guys after the game was yours. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. MU BB.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Never blame the refs? Screw that. This was one of the worst called games I've ever seen. 2 fouls on PU in OT and one was freaking intentional. Desrosiers got away with BS all night. The refs lost us that game. Lots more the team could have done, but not near as much as the refs should have.

[TheSultan]

Refs weren't the problem brew.

[The Reptile]

Pretty much representative of the season - everything in place but the team can't figure it out on the floor. Too bad this group is better on paper than in action because they could be better than the sum of the parts.

[Nukem2]

Our starting backcourt with the finish to the season.
Yup, that's the reality. Next year, Derrick and Juan off the bench. That is reality as well. On to the NIT.

[warriorfan4life]

Just not our year.

[Markedman]

+1............

Refs weren't the problem brew.

[MUfan12]

Will Buzz be able to get those timeouts through security at the airport?

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

Our bball IQ is laughable

[RJax55]

Refs weren't the problem brew.

Blaming the refs is a joke. When Jake's not hitting threes, we start the worst back court in the Big East.

Both Jake and Derrick made bonehead plays in the last 10 seconds, that's why MU lost.

[MUMac]

Refs weren't the problem brew.

Nope. I can't place blame there. MU played well, came back on the road. Couldn't finish. Unfortunate end to regulation and poorly played by MU to end each OT.

[MUMac]

Will Buzz be able to get those timeouts through security at the airport?

When would the TO made a difference? When Jake went into the fetal position instead of being strong with the ball, protecting it and forcing a foul? What coach would have called one on that play? No one that currently has a job.

[Halo]

I am having a hard time watching and supporting a team that is this dumb on the basketball court. I don't get it.

[Nukem2]

Nope. I can't place blame there. MU played well, came back on the road. Couldn't finish. Unfortunate end to regulation and poorly played by MU to end each OT.Should have been inbounding to Todd. That simple.

[TheSultan]

It was such a fundamentally poor play by Jake too. You are taught not to do that in 5th grade for that very reason. BE STRONG!!!

[MUMac]

Should have been inbounding to Todd. That simple.

Todd was open. DWill bailed on him too early. I was not thrilled to see him inbound. Providence got the ball exactly where they wanted it to go.

[Markedman]

We outrebounded them by 15...but we shot 34%...and they had 13 blocks......

[CaribouJim]

So sad - almost an heroic comeback and ending. To give it away sucks so bad.

[goldenlegal22]

I really tried to think of positives about DW throughout the year and after each bad game he came out and had a serviceable performance the next time out (a low T-A ratio, solid d, less bonehead plays). But after tonight's game I finally woke up and realized, those serviceable performances he had were mostly in part due to the other players on the team stepping up- Jake hit shots, Jamil gets a few to fall, etc. When those people don't score, his performance goes from serviceable to poor and in tonight's case, flat out awful. A true PG makes the players around him better, not the other way around. MU doesn't need a PG who can score (although it would be nice), it needs a PG who can elevate everyone's game and get the job done in crunch time whether that be a score, stop or smart pass. Derrick is simply not capable of doing that and the players around him are not good enough to mask his inefficiencies. Going to be breaking out the nightly and daily prayer for Dawson and Duane to be able to step in and do that next year while consistently playing solid D.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Refs weren't the only problem brew.

FIFY

We were called for 7 more fouls and in overtime Desrosiers got to pretty much mug people at will without getting called. Go watch that Gardner attempt again. Desrosiers hits him on the initial shot, the follow, the second follow, and finally gets called the fourth time. No way it wasn't a foul on Mayo. Were there problems with the team? Yes. There always are. But this was far from a down-the-middle game. Further, the refs completely changed how they were calling the game in OT on Marquette. Marquette was charged with 8 fouls in OT. Providence with 3, and one of those was the Fortune intentional. This game was not called the same at both ends in the extra frames. Especially when it came to Desrosiers.

[TheSultan]

Providence attacked the basket. We didn't. Good thing we were shooting well and rebounded.

I'm sorry brew but I just don't see it. At all.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Todd attacked the basket, got hacked by Desrosiers forcing him into a ridiculously awkward falling sideways shot, no call. Gardner got hit 4 times on one play, only on the fourth did they make the call. Otule got pounded under the hoop, no call. If you don't see it, you didn't have your TV on.

[Halo]

Todd was open. DWill bailed on him too early. I was not thrilled to see him inbound. Providence got the ball exactly where they wanted it to go.

And why was he inbounding? Sure because he is a good passer, but also because he shoots free throws at the level of a 4th grader. Maybe Jamil Wilson should have been passing in and Wilson not even in the game.

And Burton attacking the rim in one of the OT's would have been nice also with all of the foul trouble they had.

This sucks.

[TheSultan]

Fine...not going to try to convince you. But you aren't going to convince me either.

[MUfan12]

And why was he inbounding? Sure because he is a good passer, but also because he shoots free throws at the level of a 4th grader. Maybe Jamil Wilson should have been passing in and Wilson not even in the game.

And Burton attacking the rim in one of the OT's would have been nice also with all of the foul trouble they had.

This sucks.

Spot on. The whole play was f*cked from the get go. A timeout would have helped.

[mufansince72]

I really tried to think of positives about DW throughout the year and after each bad game he came out and had a serviceable performance the next time out (a low T-A ratio, solid d, less bonehead plays). But after tonight's game I finally woke up and realized, those serviceable performances he had were mostly in part due to the other players on the team stepping up- Jake hit shots, Jamil gets a few to fall, etc. When those people don't score, his performance goes from serviceable to poor and in tonight's case, flat out awful. A true PG makes the players around him better, not the other way around. MU doesn't need a PG who can score (although it would be nice), it needs a PG who can elevate everyone's game and get the job done in crunch time whether that be a score, stop or smart pass. Derrick is simply not capable of doing that and the players around him are not good enough to mask his inefficiencies. Going to be breaking out the nightly and daily prayer for Dawson and Duane to be able to step in and do that next year while consistently playing solid D.

I think you nailed it.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

There was lots of other dumb. Derrick's travel and his fifth foul. Todd fouling Fortune on two threes in the same exact spot. Todd letting Cotton get the easy steal. More ill-advised off-balance shots than you can shake a stick at. Passing up on wide open threes to drive into three defenders. I'm not saying we didn't make mistakes. But we had points taken off the board by no-calls at the Providence defensive end. In a one-point game, it all matters, and not calling Desrosiers' multiple fouls or the Harris push in the back on Jake before Cotton tied him up is just as significant as the dumb plays we made.

[Nukem2]

I really tried to think of positives about DW throughout the year and after each bad game he came out and had a serviceable performance the next time out (a low T-A ratio, solid d, less bonehead plays). But after tonight's game I finally woke up and realized, those serviceable performances he had were mostly in part due to the other players on the team stepping up- Jake hit shots, Jamil gets a few to fall, etc. When those people don't score, his performance goes from serviceable to poor and in tonight's case, flat out awful. A true PG makes the players around him better, not the other way around. MU doesn't need a PG who can score (although it would be nice), it needs a PG who can elevate everyone's game and get the job done in crunch time whether that be a score, stop or smart pass. Derrick is simply not capable of doing that and the players around him are not good enough to mask his inefficiencies. Going to be breaking out the nightly and daily prayer for Dawson and Duane to be able to step in and do that next year while consistently playing solid D.
Derrick is an outstanding young man and a great teammate and a great practice guy, but he has serious limitations. He really needs to come off the bench next year unless Duane and John can't do it. Juan as well. Senior leaders, but real questions as to being high levels players. We shall see.

[Markedman]

Next year is a building year for the future...Going to have to let Dawson and/ or Duane play through some mistakes...they have upside.......Derrick needs to go back to the role that fits his skill set......


Derrick is an outstanding young man and a great teammate and a great practice guy, but he has serious limitations. He really needs to come off the bench next year unless Duane and John can't do it. Juan as well. Senior leaders, but real questions as to being high levels players. We shall see.

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

Derrick is an outstanding young man and a great teammate and a great practice guy, but he has serious limitations. He really needs to come off the bench next year unless Duane and John can't do it. Juan as well. Senior leaders, but real questions as to being high levels players. We shall see.

Agree with you nuk. To add to it though buzz has to learn to trust the young kids to develop throughout the season even if it means they take their lumps a bit early on. Unfortunately bc of the lack of experience from our young guys this year we're looking at Dw as really the only guy returning with consistent mins from the previous year.

[goldenlegal22]

Derrick is an outstanding young man and a great teammate and a great practice guy, but he has serious limitations. He really needs to come off the bench next year unless Duane and John can't do it. Juan as well. Senior leaders, but real questions as to being high levels players. We shall see.

What I am constantly reminded of when I look at him (and this might be my east coast upbringing so I'm not sure it will resonate with many people) is that Derrick is like Eric Snow from the late 90s, early 00s 76ers. The guy averages close to 7 assists a game with 2 TOs for his career with the 76ers and AI but when he goes to two others teams, he finishes his career with 3.9 to 1.2 and then 1.9 to .8. Part of that is probably due to his minutes going down (especially in his last 3 seasons) but I think the major part is that he was a role player at best UNLESS he had someone like AI who could do the work for him.

Basically, that's a long winded way of saying, Derrick can be a great defensive stopper and make occasional plays on offense, but he can't do it as a 30+ or maybe even 20+ minutes per game. From everything I've heard he seems like a true team guy and buys into Buzz's system 100%, but I think he would best serve this team next year as role player (like he was before) and a defensive mentor to the young guys.

[mufansince72]

I think next year has the potential to be an exciting year, if Buzz isn't stubborn and doesn't stick with Dwill. Team may come out of the gate slow, but I think you just let the young guys play and improve, and the team will peak towards the end of the year. If Dwill starts, I predict about a 7-11 record in conference.

[CaribouJim]

Why was Dawson given one assist last night? I counted at least 3 - one to Jamil in the lane for a jumper...another down low to Deonte...the last to Davante down low that they kept showing.

Was Hunt the scorekeeper? He looked his usual disheveled self yesterday.

[mufansince72]

Why was Dawson given one assist last night? I counted at least 3 - one to Jamil in the lane for a jumper...another down low to Deonte...the last to Davante down low that they kept showing.

Was Hunt the scorekeeper? He looked his usual disheveled self yesterday.

Didn't Dawson make the pass in both overtimes, that led to the turnaround jumpers that Jamil hit to start both ot's.

[TheSultan]

Didn't Dawson make the pass in both overtimes, that led to the turnaround jumpers that Jamil hit to start both ot's.


According to the play by play, the first OT was considered unassisted. The second OT was Mayo. (which is what I recalled)

[CaribouJim]

According to the play by play, the first OT was considered unassisted. The second OT was Mayo. (which is what I recalled)

I don't think I was counting either of the TO's toward any of his assists, but it was a long night.