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Marquette vs Butler - what will it take to rebound after the St. John's loss?
Double T Driscoll delaying the game another 5 minutes for 11 seconds.
Interesting lineup tonight - First time Chris Otule has not been in the lineup when available in over 2 years.
Derek Wilson
Jake Thomas
Jajuan Johnson
Jamil Wilson
Davante Gardner
almost made it to the first media timeout without a score by either team. At the 16:00 mark it was 0-0, MU draws first blood at the 15:50 mark.
MU applying full court man pressure, but we didn't see it until now as it was apparently only after a 'made basket', and well, there has only been one.
almost made it to the first media timeout without a score by either team. At the 16:00 mark it was 0-0, MU draws first blood at the 15:50 mark.
MU applying full court man pressure, but we didn't see it until now as it was apparently only after a 'made basket', and well, there has only been one.
Butler 0-9 to start. How is the crowd? I am home with a fever tonight.
By the way, officiating tonight's ball game is Ed Corbett, John Higgins and Mike Roberts.
Mayo with the needle thread. Highlight reel.
If they continue to defend Otule & Gardner the way they are with Fromm on them, MU's bigs should have a night. Going man I would put Woods on them and no one else.
Butler is 2-12 from the field with 5 turnovers and only down 4? Wow.
During the ugly first stretch, Butler was 0-9 but MU was only 1-5. No scoring, but at least MU is being more selective with their shots. MU now 3-9 from the field. Butler winning rebound battle 10-4.
Consecutive trips down court - Davante fouled hard with a no call, next trip Steve Taylor stripped (clean) but player who took it away switched pivot feet with a huge travel, no call.
Butler doubling the wide post. MU needs to adjust. Butler out rebounding MU 16-10 and 5-1 on the offensive boards. Sometimes you just need to want it.
5:25 stats....
Rebounds: Butler 16-10
Points in Paint: 8-8
Points off T/Os: MU 4-0
2nd Chance: MU 2-0
Fast break: Butler 6-5
Bench points: Butler 7-0
Stats facts at 2:32 mark
Rebounds: Butler 17-12
Points in Paint: 12-12
Points of T/O: MU 8-0
2nd Chance points: MU 4-0
Fast Break: MU 7-6
Bench: Butler 11-2
This Berry kid has 16 points all year, and 5 in last three possessions.
Interesting that during a TV timeout, Mike Broeker comes to the court and Refs come running. This guy gets respect from everyone, should be a serious candidate for next AD, I hope MU sees it that way.
Mark Miller
02-04-2014, 10:09 PM
Butler playing strong post defense despite being undersized. MU needs to pass quickly out of double team.
Solid half for Jamil Wilson. Need some others to step up.
Mark Miller
02-04-2014, 10:19 PM
Lethargic defense in early second half. Lots of standing around. No sense of urgency.
Mark - Was just talking about this with guys around me. In the beginning of the game they are man to man with Gardner & Otule dominating their man, but MU does not pound it inside. Then they switch to a low post trap and MU tries to pound it in and can't. Great scouting by Butler, but MU has had zero spacing on offense, at times packing three guys into the lane. Well, when you pack three in your opponent does too. Fine if you can shoot from the outside, but MU is limited there.
Jamil Wilson can't sneeze without picking up a foul.
And Jamil takes himself out of the game with his fourth foul.
Yes, this is bad, but students booing? Classless students, completely classless.
TulsaWarrior
02-04-2014, 10:26 PM
This is painful.
AbovetheRim
02-04-2014, 10:27 PM
Facts are facts. This team is just out-manned in the backcourt, and it kills our front court.
Outscored 14-6 out of halftime. 22-15 Butler advantage on rebounds.
MU has 9 assists on 11 made baskets. While that is impressive assist-wise, it also proves that no one can drive to the hoop and score.
Butler is in the bonus 5:00 into the 2nd half.
ValiantSailor
02-04-2014, 10:32 PM
Butler has five guys in rebounding position, gets the rebound, then goes for a layup and a foul, beating all but two MU players down the court. Has this team given up? Sure looks like from my perspective.
VS
AbovetheRim
02-04-2014, 10:33 PM
Yes, this is bad, but students booing? Classless students, completely classless.
Appreciate all you do, Jim. But the fact that they expect excellence is not a bad thing or classless. That's how a program is built. This team has failed to deliver all year long and it lies on Buzz's shoulders. If your going to be mentioned with high profile jobs year in and year out, God bless you for staying, but the expectation is that you deliver. It would be no different if he'd bolted for one of those jobs and fielded a team like this after a few years. You've mentioned Kentucky as a job he may not be able to say no to. Do you think they'd be cool with a team like this? Just saying.
Marshall grabs Jamil's wrist on that three. No call. How do you miss that?
well, been a fun run under Buzz.
Nice run here...finding themselves, led by Burton and Todd.
Appreciate all you do, Jim. But the fact that they expect excellence is not a bad thing or classless. That's how a program is built. This team has failed to deliver all year long and it lies on Buzz's shoulders. If your going to be mentioned with high profile jobs year in and year out, God bless you for staying, but the expectation is that you deliver. It would be no different if he'd bolted for one of those jobs and fielded a team like this after a few years. You've mentioned Kentucky as a job he may not be able to say no to. Do you think they'd be cool with a team like this? Just saying.
Students booing their classmates is classless. It has nothing to do with Buzz.
Mark Miller
02-04-2014, 10:42 PM
Burton playing huge for MU. Nice run. Got some life.
AbovetheRim
02-04-2014, 10:45 PM
Students booing their classmates is classless. It has nothing to do with Buzz.
Collaborative power. It's the only power they have, and the only meaningful way they can express themeselves when disappointed. Say what you willl, but I think the point gets across, which makes it effective regardless of what anyone thinks.
Don't understand why Todd Mayo can't play like this for an entire game. When he's on he on, just doesn't happen for long stretches.
Todd en fuego. Start him, please. Like this three guard line-up with Burton and Otule. Offense/defense. Three guards are switching seamlessly on defense.
TulsaWarrior
02-04-2014, 10:48 PM
We need a chemistry guy on the court to bring out the best in others.
Awilhelmscream
02-04-2014, 10:48 PM
The most impressive thing I've seen from Todd is he's being a vocal leader during setup and dead ball situations. Love Deonte's game too. Kid will be a stud barring injury.
We need a chemistry guy on the court to bring out the best in others.
My #1 issue all year Tulsa, there is not enough chemistry within this team.
AbovetheRim
02-04-2014, 10:59 PM
We need a chemistry guy on the court to bring out the best in others.
For most teams, that is the point guard. He's the one to make others better unless your talking about an absolute superstar.
Wainwright propping up Mayo in huddle. Todd comes out off the huddle and steals it and takes it coast to coast...and one.
MU_Iceman
02-04-2014, 11:00 PM
This is exactly why Todd should start and play more. The hell with his inconsistencies, let him play through them, he's the ONLY guy on this team that can take over a game. Are you listening Buzz?? Hear that message Todd is sending you??
Mark Miller
02-04-2014, 11:00 PM
Goodness ... have a half Todd Mayo! Impressive.
Mayo was scoreless at the half, now has a chance to hit his 17th point.
Talking about classless, they just did the t-shirt "parachute drop". Saw a guy about 45-50 years old rip one out of a kids hand then hold it up like he just won the title.
MU with 10 steals. Four each by Derrick and Burton, two by Todd. Wow!
Awilhelmscream
02-04-2014, 11:05 PM
MU with 10 steals. Four each by Derrick and Burton, two by Todd. Wow!
Wow! Haven't seen that since the Amigos.
What? Replay showed it was off Butler! Did I miss something?
On that last foul, Otule hit him, Mayo got all ball. BS call on Mayo. Stops an 11-0 run.
AbovetheRim
02-04-2014, 11:06 PM
Mayo was scoreless at the half, now has a chance to hit his 17th point.
Talking about classless, they just did the t-shirt "parachute drop". Saw a guy about 45-50 years old rip one out of a kids hand then hold it up like he just won the title.
Muggsy? Seems about right.
Derrick up to 5 steals. Butler has been cheap with their off the ball contact.
Even with that run, Butler gets a layup and MU player continue to bitch at each other.
Couldn't see the double dribble call as the standard was in the way, was it legit?
Awilhelmscream
02-04-2014, 11:10 PM
Even with that run, Butler gets a layup and MU player continue to bitch at each other.
Bitch in a negative way or holding each other accountable way?
Awilhelmscream
02-04-2014, 11:10 PM
Couldn't see the double dribble call as the standard was in the way, was it legit?
Yes it was.
AbovetheRim
02-04-2014, 11:11 PM
Even with that run, Butler gets a layup and MU player continue to bitch at each other.
Can somebody make a damn free throw?
Couldn't see the double dribble call as the standard was in the way, was it legit?
Looked legit. Hard to tell if Butler player knocked it out.
Dear lord. Make the free throws.
Bitch in a negative way or holding each other accountable way?
Hard to say. I would like to say accountable, which is how I believe it started, but when the target starts bitching back...
Mark Miller
02-04-2014, 11:15 PM
Very nice comeback win. Needed it badly.
What a comeback by MU, final Marquette 69, Butler 62.
Awilhelmscream
02-04-2014, 11:17 PM
I just wish Todd could play like that away from home...
Big win. MU may have found a line up. Great effort by Todd. All determination.
TulsaWarrior
02-04-2014, 11:25 PM
Talk about shifting gears. Mayo was clearly the catalyst...something missing from this team.
warriorfan4life
02-04-2014, 11:40 PM
I thought Todd Mayo could be something like this all year. That was my prime reason for optimism going into the season, as he's the guard scorer to go with Gardner down low and Jamil on the wing. He has the talent to average 15 a night efficiently, but cannot consistently bring it (especially away from home). I have believed from December on that the season rests on Todd Mayo's shoulders. Cannot expect consistent performances from him and the team, but you saw the potential if Mayo could consistently get things going.
Awilhelmscream
02-04-2014, 11:52 PM
Was it just me or as soon as Jamil went out did Todd take over? He seems more passive with Jamil on the floor.
Gato78
02-04-2014, 11:57 PM
Todd is a great offensive talent. His problem is recalling what was just said in the huddle. Might have to live with Todd's foibles in order to get that scoring punch.
Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"
02-05-2014, 12:30 AM
Great half by Todd, but he has to do it on the road. I liked seeing Derrick and Dawson get some run together. Burton is going to be ridonkulous once he figures it out. Good game, but as Buzz noted in the post game, that three was a horrible shot choice. Still no value of a possession.
This team reminds me of some of the girls I dated in my formative years. Complete teases. Just when you think you're there, there's a let down. Then when you think your odds are sunk, they give you hope again. We need this to be the start of a streak.
MUfan12
02-05-2014, 12:31 AM
Jake and Derrick get a lot of crap, but MU doesn't win that game without them. Jake was great on the glass, and both of them did serious work on defense down the stretch. Both Dunham and Barlow couldn't get a sniff from the perimeter, because those two worked their asses off getting through screens. The last three Dunham hit was well defended and 24 feet out.
Other thoughts...
-Todd is best when he has the green light. Give him a start, and see what happens.
-Chris played an outstanding second half.
-Once Deonte learns what a good shot is, he'll be really good.
-This team gets good rebounding position, but fails to go get the basketball. Too much reaching, and not enough attacking the rebound.
-I hope the last 13 minutes shows them how hard they have to play to win. Ball movement, screening, cuts, all were faster on offense. Worked hard defensively and closed out much better.
Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"
02-05-2014, 12:35 AM
Great point, Mufan12. Jake was isoed on Barlow most of the night and locked him up. His defensive effort will largely go unnoticed but it was tremendous.
MU Viking
02-05-2014, 12:56 AM
Some great plays by Burton tonight. I'm trying to remember though when we have had such a chucker on the team like him, particularly as a freshman. He literally never looks to pass. His potential if harnessed in the system is off the charts.
DCwarrior
02-05-2014, 08:08 AM
Some great plays by Burton tonight. I'm trying to remember though when we have had such a chucker on the team like him, particularly as a freshman. He literally never looks to pass. His potential if harnessed in the system is off the charts.
Deonte did have that one, big assist to Jake for his 3 late in the game. The guy guarding Jake played the odds and just assumed he wasn't going to pass.
TulsaWarrior
02-05-2014, 08:39 AM
I think the key to understanding and harnessing Mayo's potential is on the psychological side of the equation. There might be an ADHD factor going on that makes him uncomfortable and challenges a coach to relate at times. He's not stupid and he has an inner fire that we have seen tapped on occasion.
As to the rotation -- the strongest potential synergy comes from Jamil and Mayo. Derrick, Jake and Otule will always work there butt off but are limited on offense. Burton is a wildcard who adds a lot but needs to understand how to use the clock and what is a good shot in regard to the clock. Gardner needs fewer minutes. He's most effective when the other team is a little tired. His defense is spotty at best.
No matter who is on the court ball movement cannot slow down. Finally I saw some Marquette players getting in the face of a teammate or two. That might be a good thing. All those easy scores for Butler players inside meant a failed defensive assignment from a Golden Eagle player. Buehler, Ferris Buehler, Buehler.
MU/Panther
02-05-2014, 09:15 AM
Jake and Derrick get a lot of crap, but MU doesn't win that game without them. Jake was great on the glass, and both of them did serious work on defense down the stretch. Both Dunham and Barlow couldn't get a sniff from the perimeter, because those two worked their asses off getting through screens. The last three Dunham hit was well defended and 24 feet out.
Other thoughts...
-Todd is best when he has the green light. Give him a start, and see what happens.
-Chris played an outstanding second half.
-Once Deonte learns what a good shot is, he'll be really good.
-This team gets good rebounding position, but fails to go get the basketball. Too much reaching, and not enough attacking the rebound.
-I hope the last 13 minutes shows them how hard they have to play to win. Ball movement, screening, cuts, all were faster on offense. Worked hard defensively and closed out much better. Great post! Some in the crowd get on Jake and Mayo at the time was sitting at 0 points.
IrwinFletcher
02-05-2014, 09:47 AM
I will harken back to a play in the first half that I really liked from JJJ.
He received the ball deep in the corner on a fast break. Could have taken a 3 but drove to the basket. When help came to cover, he fired a pass to Jamil for a wide open 3.
Two months ago he takes the 3 or is hesitant to drive. Starting to see some glimpses from him.
And remember, he was in that starting group that held Butler scoreless for 5 mintues to start the game. His D must be improving as well.
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