Game Thread

[Gato78]

Great start. Need to keep going inside.

[milkbone]

Whats with Buzz, no suit.

[Gato78]

Wilson scores and gets pulled?

[Gato78]

Jim Burr with some cheapies on Burton. Sheesh.

[TedBaxter]

Whats with Buzz, no suit.

Buzz probably wants to keep a fresh player on their shooter. When we get back from the 12 minute timeout I'd expect Derrick back in.

[Markedman]

Can't double off of Barlow......Marshall is killing us.....Can't believe they aren't doubling Gardner everytime....when they have it has worked.....

[Gato78]

If Marshall out for 2nd half we are in good shape. Todd needs to get it together. Burton in and Todd out rather than Derrick for last play should light a fire.

[Markedman]

Seems like we should be up by double digits but I'll take it....too many silly turnovers and Butler for some reason is allowing Garndner to beat them.....I just don't get it....didn't they watch the seton hall tape?

Great defensive job by Derrick on Dunham......

[Goose85]

We need Todd to get it straight in the second half. Wouldn't mind a screen or two for Jake.

Pound it into Davante.

[Goose85]

Seems like we should be up by double digits but I'll take it....too many silly turnovers and Butler for some reason is allowing Garndner to beat them.....I just don't get it....didn't they watch the seton hall tape?

Great defensive job by Derrick on Dunham......

Speaking of Seton Hall, they won at Georgetown.

[MUAlphaBangura]

Dawson and Burton looking really bad in the 1st half. Todd with the Jekyll and Hyde also. Could be a huge break if Marshall can't come back. Didn't look good. Did Burr ref the 1st game ever at Hinkle??? MFer.

[pbiflyer]

The color guy, (Carnesecca?) praising Burr? Really? Senile or on drugs?

[pbiflyer]

Did Butler really only play 6 guys in the first half?

[Markedman]

Weird injury for Marshall....it didn't look like he did anything to his knee or ankle.......I thought it was a cramp the way he went down....

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Seems like we should be up by double digits but I'll take it....too many silly turnovers and Butler for some reason is allowing Garndner to beat them.....I just don't get it....didn't they watch the seton hall tape?

Great defensive job by Derrick on Dunham......

Thought the exact same thing. Good first half, Butler can't handle Gardner and when they do double inside Jamil was able to make them pay outside.

[MUAlphaBangura]

Weird injury for Marshall....it didn't look like he did anything to his knee or ankle.......I thought it was a cramp the way he went down....

Apparently not an injury!:confused:

[Markedman]

Derricks D has just been outstanding......great screen by CO got Derrick that last layup...now just stop with the silly turnovers.....

Jamil has been really good defending Marshall in this half as well...

[MUAlphaBangura]

and Jamil goes for 2 more head fakes....

[Awilhelmscream]

Derrick's defense today has been superb. There are two things that bother me about watching MU this year.

First, why is Davante the trailer? That was always a fairly large part of our offense with Jae and others because of his ability to bury one from deep. Jamil really needs to have that part in the offense.

The second is Davante doesn't seem to screen, ever. Really pisses me odd watching him without the ball in his hands.

[Markedman]

Just can't seem to play a 40 minute game.....so frustrating to watch....Mayo has been horrible today

[Nukem2]

Jake has had a tough game all around today

[Markedman]

Our offense is just hard to watch....lol

[MUAlphaBangura]

Jake has had a tough game all around today

No tougher than Todd or Chris. They have been awful! Hard to win with three guys being non-factors. Thank God for Derrick today.

[Nukem2]

2 points in last 7+ minutes

[Nukem2]

2 points in last 7+ minutesAlmost 9 minutes now.

[Goose85]

Can Davante set up in the post again, or is that just a first half thing?

[Nukem2]

Can Davante set up in the post again, or is that just a first half thing?

Yes, need to get him low
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[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Too close for comfort, feel like we've been by far better but can't put them away. Also, too many turnovers for Derrick today.

[Markedman]

This is justg an ugly performance....

[pbiflyer]

Sad to say, I am not real confident about this one......

[pbiflyer]

Fork. Done.

[Markedman]

how many points do we have in the 2nd half?

[Nukem2]

how many points do we have in the 2nd half?
Well, only 5 in the last 15...

[Nukem2]

Seems like they ran out of gas at the 16.31 mark when it was 40-28....

[Markedman]

When was the last time we had a Marquette team with an offense this bad? The year Diener got hurt?

[Nukem2]

Our best defense has been Marshall at the line...

[Markedman]

I think for those who just assumed Buzz would work his magic on this team can now realize it isn't going to happen...

[MUMac]

Oh joy, 5 more minutes of this gem ...

[Goose85]

Wow. Clutch by Jake.

[Markedman]

lol...well said Mac.....


Oh joy, 5 more minutes of this gem ...

[MUMac]

Marquette with 0, yes zero, bench points in regulation. For those clamoring to replace DWilson and Jake ...

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Uhhhhhh...............loss for words.

[Markedman]

We are just so easy to defend when we aren;t hitting jump shots....which is most of the time

[Goose85]

How many front iron shots for Jamil?

[RJax55]

It is crazy that Burton is not playing. We need some scoring so bad, he's our best one-on-one player.

[pbiflyer]

Not sure we score more than 2 in OT.

[mufansince72]

Anybody still think this team will make the Tourney?

[Markedman]

We are just not a good team.......this is a bad loss in a game we needed to win

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

This is just painful to watch. Mostly because it's evident this Butler team is really, really, really bad.

[MU_Iceman]

What a F'n joke this team is. Once again in a close game, Davante barely touches the ball. VERY easily the biggest disappointment in college BB this year. Well done MU, even DePaul won at Butler.

[Goose85]

Completely different team in second half. Needed Mayo today.

[Gato78]

Lotta bitching comiong up on IWB radio show.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

What a F'n joke this team is. Once again in a close game, Davante barely touches the ball. VERY easily the biggest disappointment in college BB this year. Well done MU, even DePaul won at Butler.

Really? You realize Butler's entire defensive focus is keeping the ball from getting to Gardner in the paint, right? The strategy isn't to go away from Gardner, it's the defense that took it away.

[MU_Iceman]

Really? You realize Butler's entire defensive focus is keeping the ball from getting to Gardner in the paint, right? The strategy isn't to go away from Gardner, it's the defense that took it away.


That's been every teams strategy this year, EVERY single game, yet he dominates first halves. That's on MU for not making proper adjustments.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Pete Gillen is an idiot. Good call by Jim Burr? Moron.

[GOMU1104]

You can't obviously foul away from the ball in a situation like that. It will be a flagrant every time.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Worst loss since DePaul in 09-10?

[TheSultan]

Deonte Burton really should have played more. Yeah I know he came in and sucked in the first half, but you needed to do something to change up the offense in the second half.

[TheSultan]

Worst loss since DePaul in 09-10?

Worse.....

[MU_Iceman]

Worse.....


As bad as that DePaul loss was....I agree. Worst loss in Buzz era in terms of inexcusable losses, and there have been A LOT of them.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Words cannot describe the disgust roiling in my stomach right now.

[TheSultan]

As bad as that DePaul loss was....I agree. Worst loss in Buzz era in terms of inexcusable losses, and there have been A LOT of them.


Not really....

[MU_Iceman]

Not really....


Depends on your view I suppose. From my perspective, there have been a lot.

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

Deonte Burton really should have played more. Yeah I know he came in and sucked in the first half, but you needed to do something to change up the offense in the second half.

Do something, anything just show a sign of an adjustment. Buzz flat out fell asleep at the wheel.

[Markedman]

Up 40-28 and outscored 41-17 from then until the finish of OT. We scored 9 points in the last 16 minutes and 16 seconds of the 2nd half and we still got to overtime......

I mean that was Ohio State game level bad offense in the 2nd half....except Butlers D isn't even close to Ohio States.....OSU 2nd best D in the nation....Butler? 94th......

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

At 40-28 we played like the game was over. I'm not sure if it's the players or the coaching staff that let us down more. If they just play below average basketball, we win handily.

This game reminds me of that train wreck at Louisville. Yes, the time was different, but in that one, the team didn't have a chance to respond. In this one, we did time and time again and just failed to answer the bell. Ill-advised shots, no desire to get the ball inside, and our "leaders" seemed helpless. It was like UL in slow-mo. Pathetic.

[mufansince72]

The pieces just don't fit this year. Kind of a shame since we have potentially the best front court we have had in several years. The guards try hard, but they are just not talented enough to play at this level. Jamil has been an enigma. We have too many guys with the same skill set. Need some guys who can actually shoot consistently. These offensive droughts are killers.

[TheSultan]

At 40-28 we played like the game was over. I'm not sure if it's the players or the coaching staff that let us down more. If they just play below average basketball, we win handily.


Do you know what happened at 40-28? We started subbing.

the bench was beyond godawful today. Todd Mayo is so ridiculously inconsistent. His only four points were in garbage time, and he had some wide open looks. Juan...Deonte...Dawson...provided nothing all all.

[Awilhelmscream]

What a F'n joke this team is. Once again in a close game, Davante barely touches the ball. VERY easily the biggest disappointment in college BB this year. Well done MU, even DePaul won at Butler.

Davante barely touched the ball because he was rarely in the paint. He needs to realize he isn't a PG/SG.

[TheSultan]

Davante barely touched the ball because he was rarely in the paint. He needs to realize he isn't a PG/SG.

And when he was in the paint, they were basically fronting him.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Do you know what happened at 40-28? We started subbing.

the bench was beyond godawful today. Todd Mayo is so ridiculously inconsistent. His only four points were in garbage time, and he had some wide open looks. Juan...Deonte...Dawson...provided nothing all all.

All the more reason I'm not sure whether it was the staff or players that disappointed me more. Starters did get back in and not produce, but what was left, 16 minutes? You don't start subbing on the road with a 12 point lead and 16 minutes to play. 5 minutes? Maybe. 2 minutes? Yeah, I'll definitely agree with that. But 16? Against a team that has fought back constantly at home to make games competitive? Pathetic.

[TheSultan]

All the more reason I'm not sure whether it was the staff or players that disappointed me more. Starters did get back in and not produce, but what was left, 16 minutes? You don't start subbing on the road with a 12 point lead and 16 minutes to play. 5 minutes? Maybe. 2 minutes? Yeah, I'll definitely agree with that. But 16? Against a team that has fought back constantly at home to make games competitive? Pathetic.


They weren't mass subbing...but subbing within the flow of the game. I will have to check out the statsheet but I think all they did was bring in Mayo for Thomas and Deonte for Otule. (I think I'm wrong about the last one.) Nothing outrageous.

[Nukem2]

Bottom line is that this team is offensively challenged.

[MUAlphaBangura]

The pieces just don't fit this year. Kind of a shame since we have potentially the best front court we have had in several years. The guards try hard, but they are just not talented enough to play at this level. Jamil has been an enigma. We have too many guys with the same skill set. Need some guys who can actually shoot consistently. These offensive droughts are killers.

Do we really have the best front court we've had in the last several years??? I would argue it hasn't been close compared to years past. I won't get into tearing our guys down, but this year's crew has not been good.

[Nukem2]

Do we really have the best front court we've had in the last several years??? I would argue it hasn't been close compared to years past. I won't get into tearing our guys down, but this year's crew has not been good.A big part of that is that Davante and Jamil have been played so much on the perimeter offensively to make up for the shortcomings of the perimeter group. Defensively, they have been ok. Its a flawed team that gets frustrated when it can't score.........

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

This has to be the most underperforming team I've seen under Buzz. 09-10 was losing games too, but those were close games to top-10 teams. This team just frustrates me. You can see the talent, but they don't have the first clue what to do with it.

It's like the scene in Swingers where Trent and Sue tell Mike that he's a bear and has huge claws and fangs and can't kill the bunny. This team can't kill the bunny.

[mufansince72]

Do we really have the best front court we've had in the last several years??? I would argue it hasn't been close compared to years past. I won't get into tearing our guys down, but this year's crew has not been good.

I was excited because unlike several previous years, we had some height in the front court. If we just had average guard play, this would be a great group in my opinion.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

I was excited because unlike several previous years, we had some height in the front court. If we just had average guard play, this would be a great group in my opinion.

I still think the frontcourt is more of a problem than the backcourt. At least the guards are doing what they are supposed to do. Not really the case for Jamil, Davante, and the other guys up front. Every time Jamil disappears or Davante starts calling for the ball at the top of the key I just cringe. That's what's killing us, their inability to enforce their will on the game for 40 minutes.

[TheSultan]

The guards are doing what they are supposed to be doing?

Jake Thomas went 1-8, all from 3, and Todd went 2-9 (0-6 from 3). At best our guards are inconsistent. At worst, like our two-guards were today, they are a dumpster fire.

[IWB]

Jake needs to come off of screens - didn't happen today

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

The guards are doing what they are supposed to be doing?

Jake Thomas went 1-8, all from 3, and Todd went 2-9 (0-6 from 3). At best our guards are inconsistent. At worst, like our two-guards were today, they are a dumpster fire.

I'm not talking about today, I'm talking about in general, and more Jake and Derrick (the starters) than all the guards. Derrick is mostly protecting the ball and not giving the game away. Jake is generally hitting threes and playing good defense. Todd...well, he's a coin flip. Heads he's great, tails he sucks :confused:

[TheSultan]

Jake needs to come off of screens - didn't happen today


They were jumping every screen. In the early second half, the screen started to roll, and we got some easy baskets. But Butler started to overplay the roll, and we couldn't rotate the ball fast enough.

[TheSultan]

At halftime, Marquette was 4-10 from 3.

They ended up 4-24. Don't know what's worse...zero makes or 14 attempts.

[MU_Iceman]

This has to be the most underperforming team I've seen under Buzz. 09-10 was losing games too, but those were close games to top-10 teams. This team just frustrates me. You can see the talent, but they don't have the first clue what to do with it.

It's like the scene in Swingers where Trent and Sue tell Mike that he's a bear and has huge claws and fangs and can't kill the bunny. This team can't kill the bunny.

This is a definite change in you from about a week or two ago. You're finally seeing what it really is. Thank You for finally coming around.

[Nukem2]

At halftime, Marquette was 4-10 from 3.

They ended up 4-24. Don't know what's worse...zero makes or 14 attempts.True...........

[MUMac]

At halftime, Marquette was 4-10 from 3.

They ended up 4-24. Don't know what's worse...zero makes or 14 attempts.

I was really bothered to see MU start settling for 3's. When Butler started to make their run, Jamil and Mayo took 3's early in the shot clock and clanked them. There was no offensive flow. A lot of standing around the 3 point line.

[Markedman]

In past years DJO, Junior, JB or Vander would beat somebody olff the dribble...get into the lane and make something happen..score or get fouled....pass it to a teammate for an open look.......Jake can't do that...Derrick tries .....Jamil doesn't really do that....Mayo can do it at times but if he forces it tends to get out of control and take a bad shot....

I just don't think we have the horses to do what Buzz likes his teams to do this year......

Just my opinion

[MUMac]

In past years DJO, Junior, JB or Vander would beat somebody olff the dribble...get into the lane and make something happen..score or get fouled....pass it to a teammate for an open look.......Jake can't do that...Derrick tries .....Jamil doesn't really do that....Mayo can do it at times but if he forces it tends to get out of control and take a bad shot....

I just don't think we have the horses to do what Buzz likes his teams to do this year......

Just my opinion

yep. That is spot on and what I have felt this year. Jake can start with a Junior at PG. Derrick can start with a DJO or Vander at the 2 spot. Unfortunately, Jake and Derrick together are not a good combination. Buzz mentioned it before the season started that the guard play will be different this year. This is what he was referring to, I believe.