Game thread

[Nukem2]

Getting ugly fast.

[Halo]

We are not good. This lineup stinks also.

[MUMac]

Jake Thomas with a bad 3 miss, turnover and nothing else. Really hard to watch this offense right now. Really hard. I may be done before halftime tonight.

We have the defensive lineup out there and they keep getting wide open 3's. Play they young guys Buzz. This is not working.

[Markedman]

They aren't even pretending to guard Derrick.....

[MUMac]

They aren't even pretending to guard Derrick.....

No need to guard Jake, either. I have never seen a "shooter" shoot so poorly. Why is he playing?

[mufansince72]

How come Steve Taylor isn't playing?

[AlexJesswein]

Thomas is horrendous. Doesn't block out and gives up 3pt play

[Markedman]

I don't care lost the freshmen are I'd play them over Jake at this point.....but then again I'm not the coach

[mufansince72]

Derrick and Jake should not even see the floor for the rest of the first half. See what the frosh can do.

[Markedman]

Taylor was in the dog house last game...maybe he is still in it

[bleedbluegold03]

I can't name a worse starting backcourt than Wilson-Thomas for as long as I can remember.

Probably have to go back pre Cordell Henry...

[Nukem2]

Thomas is horrendous. Doesn't block out and gives up 3pt play

Jake is absolutely brutal.

[bleedbluegold03]

Wish we had talent on the bench...

[Halo]

This is truly awful. C'mon Buzz.

[MU_Iceman]

I know it's early in the season, but stick a fork in this team. This season is going to be garbage.

[MUMac]

Really wondering what Jake brings to the game. It must be something I cannot see. What I do see really has me scratching my head.

[Markedman]

Derrick finally getting agressive in a good way

[Halo]

And I am sick of seeing Davante Gardner 30 feet from the hoop on offense.

[Markedman]

Otule getting schooled by their big guy too

[DCwarrior]

Where is Steve Taylor and why is Gardner playing outside?

[Nukem2]

Otule getting schooled by their big guy tooKeeps losing position to their big guy.

[Halo]

Well, the Buzz to Texas or wherever will slow down after this year. As bad as I have seen things since the Crean NIT years.

[DCwarrior]

Wish we had talent on the bench...

Wish we had talent in the starting lineup.

Thomas-Wilson backcourt might be the most offensively challenged in all of D-1

[MUMac]

Keeps losing position to their big guy.

Standing behind him on the putback off of a missed 3 is inexcusable for a 6th year senior. Nothing he could do there but foul. Really bad fundamentals. Really bad.

[IWB]

Mayo is in street clothes.

[Halo]

MU makes a run with Thomas on the bench. Buzz puts Thomas back in then, Jamil Wilson gets his second foul. Frustrating.

[MU_Iceman]

Mayo is in street clothes.

Just realized Todd hadn't played. Now I know why. :/

[Markedman]

Nice stretch there for JJ.........

[MUMac]

Don't really know how to describe Gardner's play right now. Really has taken some steps back. Trying to be the man without being the man.

[mufansince72]

He has a sprained ankle

[IWB]

I didn't see anyone bitching when Johnson over shot the hoop by 5 feet on his three attempt....do the bad shot complaints only apply to Jake?

Just got word directly from the bench, Mayo out with ankle injury.

[DCwarrior]

The Frosh need to play. Let them learn on the job. Johnson is playing well and should be getting all of Thomas' minutes.

[MUMac]

2nd half should be DW, JJJ, JW, ST and DG. That team has the best potential for scoring right now.

[kneelb4zerg]

Don't really know how to describe Gardner's play right now. Really has taken some steps back. Trying to be the man without being the man.
He is just awful this year. Really disappointing

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

JJ! Give the kid some tick. Hopefully this little spurt gets it into Buzz' head to put jake on the pines.

[MUMac]

I didn't see anyone bitching when Johnson over shot the hoop by 5 feet on his three attempt....do the bad shot complaints only apply to Jake?

Just got word directly from the bench, Mayo out with ankle injury.

He made a shot first. Sorry IWB, you are going to be on an island supporting Jake. He has been brutal today and all season. If you want to hold your hat on Jake grazing the rim and JJ missing it entirely, have at it.

[Halo]

This is really bad.

[Markedman]

Dunk....dunk....

[Halo]

He's a freshman trying to do something and the only one who really is, besides Derrick Wilson. Jake Thomas is 22 or 23 years old?

[IWB]

Not that I am defending Jake, just think the bitching has been over the top.

[Halo]

ASU not playing smart. Could keep MU in it.

[MayorBeluga]

This team has no toughness. We desperately need someone like Travis Diener.

[Halo]

Likely. We are just very passionate! :o

[Markedman]

In reality it isn't Jake's fault.......on a normal MU team he wouldn't be playing.

[MUMac]

Not that I am defending Jake, just think the bitching has been over the top.

He has been touted as a "sniper" a "shooter". He has not been as advertised. On top of that, his d has been average, at best. Not seeing what he brings to the table to garner the minutes he receives.

Now, if JJ is a 5th year senior and playing like Jake, well, I would expect some bitching about his play then.

[DCwarrior]

I really don't like O'Tule and Gardner playing together this game. It just isn't working (except for the recent 3)

[The Reptile]

Well the good news is that is the best half of scoring in the last few games. Of course the bad news is we are still down 10.

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

I really don't like O'Tule and Gardner playing together this game. It just isn't working (except for the recent 3)

thinking the same thing---they just appear out of sink.

Regarding Jake, he's not giving us anything on either end of the floor. Throw JJ into the fire and put Jake on the bench. Jake has shown enough that he isnt able to play at this level. I'd rather lose while getting the freshman some tick than lose watching a 5th yr senior clearly get overmatched.

[Markedman]

Well at least we scored some points.....Derrick was more aggressive and must have a career high already? On the downside anybody who thought we were going to have a great defense this year should probably re-evaluate.

[MUMac]

Well the good news is that is the best half of scoring in the last few games. Of course the bad news is we are still down 10.

I was worried when I saw ASU at 33 points about 10 minutes into the game. ;)

[Markedman]

Gardner has lost his ability to draw fouls for some reason......Their big guy has been impressive.

[mufansince72]

I didn't see anyone bitching when Johnson over shot the hoop by 5 feet on his three attempt....do the bad shot complaints only apply to Jake?

Just got word directly from the bench, Mayo out with ankle injury.

That's because he hit the shot before and the shot after the airball.

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

JJ is also creating by slashing to the basket. And he looks good on defense. Really liking what I'm seeing from him.

[DCwarrior]

Gardner has lost his ability to draw fouls for some reason......Their big guy has been impressive.

The Polish kid is good...or we are making him look really good.

[TulsaWarrior]

I'm encouraged. Maybe not tonight but some of the pieces are showing signs of life. Need Taylor to play defense.

[TrevorCandelino]

The Jake bashing is obnoxious. Buzz is playing the guys he thinks he has to play. I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing.....

[Nukem2]

The Polish kid is good...or we are making him look really good.Actually, he is from Calgary, Canada.

[DCwarrior]

Actually, he is from Calgary, Canada.

Polish name

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

Gardner has lost his ability to draw fouls for some reason......Their big guy has been impressive.

yep, that's definitely a concern of mine. Is part of it bc he isn't getting the ball in good spots though?

[TheSultan]

The Jake bashing is obnoxious. Buzz is playing the guys he thinks he has to play. I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing.....


I guess that means that we can no longer debate player contributions then.

[Nukem2]

The Jake bashing is obnoxious. Buzz is playing the guys he thinks he has to play. I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing.....
There is that, unfortunately the results on the court say otherwise. Truth is that the game gets too fast for Jake. He is better in a slow paced game. Can't fault his effort, but...

[DCwarrior]

What got into Wilson?

[mufansince72]

Derrick showing signs of life, which is a good sign going forward!

[Awilhelmscream]

Derrick Wilson is impressing me this game. Not just in the score box but in his leadership.

[MU_Iceman]

Hats off to DW tonight! he looks like a completely different player.

[MUMac]

The Jake bashing is obnoxious. Buzz is playing the guys he thinks he has to play. I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing.....

Call me obnoxious all you like. He has not played well at all this year. Today he has been brutal. I will stick by my observations, whether you are upset by them or not.

Look, I have refrained from calling out players. I just don't see a shooter/scorer that he is billed to be. I see the opposite and he has really hurt Marquette because of that.

[TrevorCandelino]

I guess that means that we can no longer debate player contributions then.

Is that what everyone is doing? Simply debating player contributions?

[TheSultan]

Is that what everyone is doing? Simply debating player contributions?


What would you call it then?

And he just hit a three in rhythm...

[DCwarrior]

That one must have felt good for Jake

[Nukem2]

Hats off to DW tonight! he looks like a completely different player.
Derrick has been very good after a slow defensive start on Carson.

[MUMac]

Jake is making me eat some crow right now. I will gladly eat it, if he keeps shooting like this. Not saying he has to make the all, but he is giving the team what they need.

[DCwarrior]

Amazing how much better we look when we actually make some outside shots

[mufansince72]

Best two minute stretch of the season. Jake with two threes, Jamil with a three, J cubed with a flush in transition.

[Nukem2]

Need to give some props to Jake now. Hopefully he is figuring things out.

[DCwarrior]

Need to give some props to Jake now. Hopefully he is figuring things out.

Confidence

[dubs98]

Notice how much quicker he releases after he makes one. Such a different shooter when shooting with confidence.

[Markedman]

Jake making IWB proud!

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

Jake is making me eat some crow right now. I will gladly eat it, if he keeps shooting like this. Not saying he has to make the all, but he is giving the team what they need.

Ditto.

Come on boys!!

I have a serious man crush on JJ btw.

[MUMac]

That last foul by Jamil is what always frustrates me about his game. There is a difference between a hustle foul and an foolish one. Especially with 3 fouls. He seems to get one of those a game.

[mufansince72]

Jake making IWB proud!

Forced those last two though! Heat check, out of his range!

[Markedman]

Derrick has really had a nice game.

Carson is good.....

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

That last foul by Jamil is what always frustrates me about his game. There is a difference between a hustle foul and an foolish one. Especially with 3 fouls. He seems to get one of those a game.

Jus texted my pops the same thing. Man, that's a bigger foul that we think. Hurts us on both ends. Have to imagine our shooting will cool off here a bit and to have Wilson on the low block on offense would help.

[dubs98]

That last foul by Jamil is what always frustrates me about his game. There is a difference between a hustle foul and an foolish one. Especially with 3 fouls. He seems to get one of those a game.

Somewhat disagree. Great hustle play that worked out the wrong way. There are dumb fouls and fouls that simply happen by chance. Can't play soft the whole half. He went for the ball and didn't realize the other guy was there. Everyone is clamorinv for someone to be aggresive and be the man. He was selling out for the ball. Unfortunate outcome of the play.

[mufansince72]

Derrick has really had a nice game.

Carson is good.....

I have to agree. Derrick playing about 1000 times better than he has all year.

[MUMac]

Forced those last two though! Heat check, out of his range!

Don't mind those shots, though. When you feel it, you want to take it. Good looks, just missed. Now that he has made a few, and the defense knows he will take it from deep, he will be able to pull the defense out.

[mufansince72]

I like JJJ! Slashes. Gives us a dimension the other don't.

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

little too late of a to by buzz. You could tell we were gassed. I think he was hoping to get to the under 8 without too much damage since we only had 3 tos.

[Markedman]

ASU is really good...win or lose boys made some progress tonight

[Nukem2]

As well as Derrick has played, he just gave up 5 easy ones to Carson. Just the way it is. Hurting without Jamil in there.

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

I like JJJ! Slashes. Gives us a dimension the other don't.

man crush!

[MUMac]

Somewhat disagree. Great hustle play that worked out the wrong way. There are dumb fouls and fouls that simply happen by chance. Can't play soft the whole half. He went for the ball and didn't realize the other guy was there. Everyone is clamorinv for someone to be aggresive and be the man. He was selling out for the ball. Unfortunate outcome of the play.

Difference between playing soft and playing smart. He did not have the angle. Play going away from him. Diving into the ground for the ball. Most times, that is a foul. That is why it is a dumb foul. Especially with 3 already. That play was not as important as staying on the court. Aggressiveness is one thing. Foolishness is another. As soon as I was him miss and go after the ball the first time, I knew he was going to pick up his 4th foul. Seen it too many times. Can't agree with your assessment or analysis.

[Awilhelmscream]

Win or lose I think we've found our primary lineup.

G: De Wilson
G: Jake Thomas
G: Johnson
F: Jamil
F: Gardner.

[2012Warrior]

Some freshman plays there on offense by Deonte and JuJuan. Need a bucket here. This is as optimistic as I've been about the team all season.

[Nukem2]

Win or lose I think we've found our primary lineup.

G: De Wilson
G: Jake Thomas
G: Johnson
F: Jamil
F: Gardner.
Need to play Jamil and Davante together as much as possible as I've posted often.

[Awilhelmscream]

Need to play Jamil and Davante together as much as possible as I've posted often.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

[MUMac]

This team showed some of the Marquette heart we have become accustomed to. I agree with some of the others that I am feeling much better about this team. Big step up by JJJ, DW and Jake. Add Todd and eventually Duane and the backcourt may be what we hoped it would be.

[The Reptile]

I think IWB was right to stand behind Jake. He's having a terrific half.

[DCwarrior]

I'll state again the Gardner/O'Tule lineup is not working tonight. Zero flow offensively with both of them in there together.

[Halo]

Jake Thomas showing some remarkable onions. Well done young man to get MU back in this. Glad to be eating crow myself. This is a completely different team when him and DWill are playing like this.

ASU is a darn good team also. Very impressive.

[dubs98]

Difference between playing soft and playing smart. He did not have the angle. Play going away from him. Diving into the ground for the ball. Most times, that is a foul. That is why it is a dumb foul. Especially with 3 already. That play was not as important as staying on the court. Aggressiveness is one thing. Foolishness is another. As soon as I was him miss and go after the ball the first time, I knew he was going to pick up his 4th foul. Seen it too many times. Can't agree with your assessment or analysis.

Guess I saw it different. Thought the same thing as you initially and then thought it went for it without seein the other guy. Didn't work. Like the effort.
Hell of a game so far

[bleedbluegold03]

really, really happy to be munching on some crow tonight with Jake and Derrick. close out boys!

[Awilhelmscream]

Johnson has made two bad decisions tonight but that's nothing compared to Mayo's bad shot selection. I REALLY hope Johnson starts from now on. He does all of the little things Buzz looks for.

[DCwarrior]

Gardner is dead tired

[pbiflyer]

My biggest take away from this game - win or lose......Jamie is looking a bit scruffy. ;)

[Markedman]

Why not run it through Gardner?

[Halo]

Would have liked to kick it into Gardner there and see what he could do.

[Markedman]

Ball movement was night and day better tonight.......

[MUMac]

Why not run it through Gardner?

I did not mind the look. Jake had an open 3 moving toward the hoop from the top of the key. Gardner in position for the rebound on the side. Just missed. Not a bad call, though.

[Halo]

How many shots we miss the last few minutes? Jamil missed all of his 3. Some bad shots on the fast break. Not a good last 7 seconds there.

Oh well. MU showing some life for the future.

[MUMac]

As well as DW played today, that was a really, really questionable play. Down 2 and he drives into their shot blocker. Why?

[Markedman]

Great game...would have liked to ran the last 2 possessions better......Derrick need to give that one up and let Jake shoot for the win

[mufansince72]

Overall I was pleasantly surprised tonight. Buzz can build off this game! Derrick played well. Jake looks like he has a little confidence now. JJJ played well.

[Nukem2]

Great game...would have liked to ran the last 2 possessions better......Derrick need to give that one up and let Jake shoot for the win
Or anyone who is open....

[Awilhelmscream]

I love that loss. I know it sounds crazy but we found chemistry. I love it. Can't wait to watch this team the rest of the season!

[MUMac]

Great game...would have liked to ran the last 2 possessions better......Derrick need to give that one up and let Jake shoot for the win

Really dumbfounded that DW wanted to and felt like he had to be the man at the end. Really, really dumbfounded. Too bad, he played a great game tonight.

[Halo]

We had a lot of chances to win that or take the lead the last few minutes. Spent a lot of energy coming back.
Charissa Thompson is really hot also.

[MU_Iceman]

A loss is still a f'n loss no matter how you slice it. So they looked better. Whoopty doo. All I see is an "L". No moral victories. They better win the damn tourney this weekend now.

[Markedman]

I think I can speak for the entire board when I say ...Go **** yourself....sorry....you are an ass


A loss is still a f'n loss no matter how you slice it. So they looked better. Whoopty doo. All I see is an "L". No moral victories. They better win the damn tourney this weekend now.

[The Reptile]

A loss is still a f'n loss no matter how you slice it. So they looked better. Whoopty doo. All I see is an "L". No moral victories. They better win the damn tourney this weekend now.


I don't think any is claiming that there is a moral victory here. It's a loss. However, give our recent play things seem to be turning around and you can see how things can be when they finally come together. Remember, its still pre-Thanksgiving there plenty of time to get better. And while a lot of teams are still playing bunnies we have had the balls to actually play 2 meaningful games - one of which was on the road.

[kneelb4zerg]

A loss is still a f'n loss no matter how you slice it. So they looked better. Whoopty doo. All I see is an "L". No moral victories. They better win the damn tourney this weekend now.
Good to see you haven't changed.

[Halo]

Maybe we saw some addition by subtraction this game.

[Nukem2]

A loss is still a f'n loss no matter how you slice it. So they looked better. Whoopty doo. All I see is an "L". No moral victories. They better win the damn tourney this weekend now.
Come now, we all have been frustrated. But this team really turned it on tonite after a bad start. Sure it's an L, but it was a team buuilding event tonite.

[warriorfan4life]

Think we get a rematch on Sunday in finals and hopefully it goes different. They have an outstanding 1, 2, and 5 and decent complementary parts on the wing. As much as no Mayo hurt the offense, he is also our quickest perimeter defender. He could have guarded Carson at times and then swing Derrick Wilson over to Marshall. ASU is a borderline top 25 team and should finish in the top half of the PAC 12. We should have our usual season once fully healthy as long as the team builds on tonight (and I trust Buzz to do that).

[IrwinFletcher]

Maybe we saw some addition by subtraction this game.

I don't think that is a fair comment on Mayo.

I posted earlier that the team was getting good looks and we can't be that bad of a shooting team to be shooting 16%. they got looks again tonight and they hit them. And you know what, we had a chance to win.

As for Iceman - go to another board, you might be welcome there.

If someone would have told me that we would be down by 15, come back and have a chance to win at the very end, I would have been shocked.

Some good things happened tonight. Some things we need to work on. But I am encouraged.

[MUMac]

I think I can speak for the entire board when I say ...Go **** yourself....sorry....you are an ass

I don't know if you speak for the entire board, but you certainly have captured my sentiments very well.

[MU_Iceman]

You guys go right ahead and beat up on me. I could give a rats ass what any of you think. All I know is there isn't a one of you here in this thread that must be competitive, at all. Or played no competitive sports. Spin it anyway you want. If it makes you sleep better at night, so be it...but one more time...THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GOOD LOSS! Period. End of story. So all you Sallies that went to bed comfortably after a LOSS because they "looked better" and it's "something to build on"...you make me sick and you can all go F*** yourselves. And after the next loss, it will be the same thing "they fought hard, they looked better, at least they made shots". Seashells and balloons, right?? Disgusting...all I remember is the score was 79-77 Arizona St, because that is ALL that matters at the end of the day. Like I said, they better win the tourney this weekend, or it's going to be a loooooooooooong season. Two losses in your first 5 of non conference, never helps a THING.

[ziggysfryboy]

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Is that Mayor Beluga in his kilt?

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

You guys go right ahead and beat up on me. I could give a rats ass what any of you think. All I know is there isn't a one of you here in this thread that must be competitive, at all. Or played no competitive sports. Spin it anyway you want. If it makes you sleep better at night, so be it...but one more time...THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GOOD LOSS! Period. End of story. So all you Sallies that went to bed comfortably after a LOSS because they "looked better" and it's "something to build on"...you make me sick and you can all go F*** yourselves. And after the next loss, it will be the same thing "they fought hard, they looked better, at least they made shots". Seashells and balloons, right?? Disgusting...all I remember is the score was 79-77 Arizona St, because that is ALL that matters at the end of the day. Like I said, they better win the tourney this weekend, or it's going to be a loooooooooooong season. Two losses in your first 5 of non conference, never helps a THING.

Iceman, it's morning. Did you not sleep? Maybe time for a nap. It's November. Do you realize what has happened in November the past few years? Losses to Dayton and Butler that we thought we'd win. A blowout at Florida. Close-but-not-quite games against Duke, Florida State, and Gonzaga. It happens. Don't let your blood pressure get up over it. It's November.

This team is doing fine. They have one more loss than I personally expected at this point and my prediction was winning the Big East and a deep March run. That loss was to a top-10 team. Nothing to stress over, it happens. Yesterday at this time, everyone was panicked that Jake couldn't hit a shot against a non-Grambling team to save his life (had that worry myself). Derrick was useless and did nothing on offense once we got past half-court. Jamil couldn't assert himself. Davante was in a funk. Jajuan Johnson, for all the hype, was failing to contribute. Last night, all those things started to right themselves.

It's a long season. You don't make a Final Four in November and in March, no one cares who you lost to 5 months earlier. You can freak out all you want if it makes you feel better, but please keep your pissing and moaning off this board. Vent on Scoop or Scout, they are better suited for that kind of pussy-boy pouting. In the grand scheme, losing to Dayton and Florida State didn't keep us out of the tournament, losing to Duke and Gonzaga didn't keep us out of the Sweet 16, and losing to Butler and Florida didn't keep us out of the Elite 8. Losses to Ohio State and Arizona State won't ruin our season. And on a board where IWB has worked hard to maintain peace and harmony, your weak-ass crying like a spoiled little bitch who expects to win every game simply doesn't fit in. You call us sallies? At least we can take a lump and not turn into a puddle of pissing goo. Now please stop whining.

[MU_Iceman]

Iceman, it's morning. Did you not sleep? Maybe time for a nap. It's November. Do you realize what has happened in November the past few years? Losses to Dayton and Butler that we thought we'd win. A blowout at Florida. Close-but-not-quite games against Duke, Florida State, and Gonzaga. It happens. Don't let your blood pressure get up over it. It's November.

This team is doing fine. They have one more loss than I personally expected at this point and my prediction was winning the Big East and a deep March run. That loss was to a top-10 team. Nothing to stress over, it happens. Yesterday at this time, everyone was panicked that Jake couldn't hit a shot against a non-Grambling team to save his life (had that worry myself). Derrick was useless and did nothing on offense once we got past half-court. Jamil couldn't assert himself. Davante was in a funk. Jajuan Johnson, for all the hype, was failing to contribute. Last night, all those things started to right themselves.

It's a long season. You don't make a Final Four in November and in March, no one cares who you lost to 5 months earlier. You can freak out all you want if it makes you feel better, but please keep your pissing and moaning off this board. Vent on Scoop or Scout, they are better suited for that kind of pussy-boy pouting. In the grand scheme, losing to Dayton and Florida State didn't keep us out of the tournament, losing to Duke and Gonzaga didn't keep us out of the Sweet 16, and losing to Butler and Florida didn't keep us out of the Elite 8. Losses to Ohio State and Arizona State won't ruin our season. And on a board where IWB has worked hard to maintain peace and harmony, your weak-ass crying like a spoiled little bitch who expects to win every game simply doesn't fit in. You call us sallies? At least we can take a lump and not turn into a puddle of pissing goo. Now please stop whining.

I guess some people are right...why keep score anymore?? Let's just have everyone play games for the exercise, and to promote goodwill. After all these years...I guess it's not about winning or losing anymore, it IS truly about how you play the game, right??

[MU_Iceman]

Iceman, it's morning. Did you not sleep? Maybe time for a nap. It's November. Do you realize what has happened in November the past few years? Losses to Dayton and Butler that we thought we'd win. A blowout at Florida. Close-but-not-quite games against Duke, Florida State, and Gonzaga. It happens. Don't let your blood pressure get up over it. It's November.

This team is doing fine. They have one more loss than I personally expected at this point and my prediction was winning the Big East and a deep March run. That loss was to a top-10 team. Nothing to stress over, it happens. Yesterday at this time, everyone was panicked that Jake couldn't hit a shot against a non-Grambling team to save his life (had that worry myself). Derrick was useless and did nothing on offense once we got past half-court. Jamil couldn't assert himself. Davante was in a funk. Jajuan Johnson, for all the hype, was failing to contribute. Last night, all those things started to right themselves.

It's a long season. You don't make a Final Four in November and in March, no one cares who you lost to 5 months earlier. You can freak out all you want if it makes you feel better, but please keep your pissing and moaning off this board. Vent on Scoop or Scout, they are better suited for that kind of pussy-boy pouting. In the grand scheme, losing to Dayton and Florida State didn't keep us out of the tournament, losing to Duke and Gonzaga didn't keep us out of the Sweet 16, and losing to Butler and Florida didn't keep us out of the Elite 8. Losses to Ohio State and Arizona State won't ruin our season. And on a board where IWB has worked hard to maintain peace and harmony, your weak-ass crying like a spoiled little bitch who expects to win every game simply doesn't fit in. You call us sallies? At least we can take a lump and not turn into a puddle of pissing goo. Now please stop whining.

You may not make a Final four in November, but November is when resumes are starting to be built, and seeds are starting to grow. A loss in November, or a loss in February, it's still a loss. The committee remembers who you lost too 5 months earlier, I remember who they lost two 5 months ago, or years ago. I'm just competitive, whether I'm playing something or not. Hopefully, they can win the tourney this weekend, and I will look like a total fool. I hope they do. I hope they prove me wrong, and give you all more ammo to beat me up. Nothing would make me happier.

[TheSultan]

You guys go right ahead and beat up on me. I could give a rats ass what any of you think. All I know is there isn't a one of you here in this thread that must be competitive, at all. Or played no competitive sports. Spin it anyway you want. If it makes you sleep better at night, so be it...but one more time...THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GOOD LOSS! Period. End of story. So all you Sallies that went to bed comfortably after a LOSS because they "looked better" and it's "something to build on"...you make me sick and you can all go F*** yourselves. And after the next loss, it will be the same thing "they fought hard, they looked better, at least they made shots". Seashells and balloons, right?? Disgusting...all I remember is the score was 79-77 Arizona St, because that is ALL that matters at the end of the day. Like I said, they better win the tourney this weekend, or it's going to be a loooooooooooong season. Two losses in your first 5 of non conference, never helps a THING.


You are correct that there is no such thing as a good loss.

However, in a loss, you can still look for signs of progress. If you did play competitive sports, I am sure your coaches said similar things to you and your teammates in the aftermath of such a loss. Things you can build upon. Things that can make you better later on.

Frankly if your coaches didn't do that, and simply called you guys a bunch of "sallies," it certainly would explain the pathology going on here.

[MU_Iceman]

They did do that, any good Coach would, but it still didn't make me feel any better about a loss. Great, we have something to build on, let's go get them next time team!! And then after the next loss you say the same thing, and after that loss, and then after that loss...See my point?? Having things to build upon are great, but if it doesn't translate to wins, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Things that can make you better later on is all well and good, but with each and every loss you accumulate, pretty soon you run out of "later on" within every season, and by then, it's too late.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

You may not make a Final four in November, but November is when resumes are starting to be built, and seeds are starting to grow. A loss in November, or a loss in February, it's still a loss. The committee remembers who you lost too 5 months earlier, I remember who they lost two 5 months ago, or years ago. I'm just competitive, whether I'm playing something or not. Hopefully, they can win the tourney this weekend, and I will look like a total fool. I hope they do. I hope they prove me wrong, and give you all more ammo to beat me up. Nothing would make me happier.

You sound like a baby that managed to form sentences. You're Stewie Griffin.

http://www.animateit.net/data/media/june2010/stewiegoesnutts7ll.gif

Does all of this make you feel better? Here's the thing...this game will not keep us out of the tournament. And all that matters is getting there. If we've learned anything these past few years, it's that all that matters is getting there. Butler, VCU, George Mason, Wichita State, you can get to the Final Four from a lower seed. And the games in January and February will have a lot more impact on our seeding than what happened last night.

Seriously, it's time to relax, Stewie. Would I rather we won? Sure. But the NCAA season is a marathon, not a sprint. No one goes 40-0. Just ask Kentucky. The team is improving. Guys are learning their roles. Buzz said there would be some early season bumps. This bump was a lot better than the Ohio State bump was. We'll go beat Fullerton and GW and I like our odds against Creighton, SDSU, or an ASU rematch on Sunday. And if we lose, guess what? We'll still make the tournament and this team will still grow.

If you're going to freak out before the New Year, at least save it for a rivalry game like Wisconsin. When you throw all your toys out of the crib after every loss, it's just kind of sad and incredibly immature. This is the big boy site. Act like it.

[Markedman]

You don’t go from terrible to really good in one step. Anybody who has ever played sports knows you get incrementally better.

This season we started out really bad…the reasons don’t matter at this point…….last night was a step in the right direction in becoming a good team.

Anybody who can’t see that should do themselves a favor and just stop watching the games. If it’s all about winning and losing then just read the box score the next day…it will tell you all you need to know….

[kneelb4zerg]

Pour one out for Brian Griffin. RIP.


You sound like a baby that managed to form sentences. You're Stewie Griffin.

http://www.animateit.net/data/media/june2010/stewiegoesnutts7ll.gif

Does all of this make you feel better? Here's the thing...this game will not keep us out of the tournament. And all that matters is getting there. If we've learned anything these past few years, it's that all that matters is getting there. Butler, VCU, George Mason, Wichita State, you can get to the Final Four from a lower seed. And the games in January and February will have a lot more impact on our seeding than what happened last night.

Seriously, it's time to relax, Stewie. Would I rather we won? Sure. But the NCAA season is a marathon, not a sprint. No one goes 40-0. Just ask Kentucky. The team is improving. Guys are learning their roles. Buzz said there would be some early season bumps. This bump was a lot better than the Ohio State bump was. We'll go beat Fullerton and GW and I like our odds against Creighton, SDSU, or an ASU rematch on Sunday. And if we lose, guess what? We'll still make the tournament and this team will still grow.

If you're going to freak out before the New Year, at least save it for a rivalry game like Wisconsin. When you throw all your toys out of the crib after every loss, it's just kind of sad and incredibly immature. This is the big boy site. Act like it.

[IWB]

I am still admittedly bummed about Fox' decision to kill off Brian the dog. Especially when it is reported that the producers thought "this would be a fun way to shake things up". A fun way? Killing off one of the best characters is a "fun way to shake things up"?

I am a big fan of Family Guy, and this move may have driven me away completely.


Classic Family Guy.....

Peter: "Brian, I have to go to Mr. Pewterschmidt's country club and I don't know how to talk to those people, can you help me?"

Brian: "I would be happy to help Peter, let's see - try this, repeat after me: "Hello, it's nice to see you this evening."

Peter: "Bob Crane of Hogan's Heroes died during rough sex with a hooker."

Brian: "Great, I feel my work here is done!"

[MU_Iceman]

You sound like a baby that managed to form sentences. You're Stewie Griffin.

http://www.animateit.net/data/media/june2010/stewiegoesnutts7ll.gif

Does all of this make you feel better? Here's the thing...this game will not keep us out of the tournament. And all that matters is getting there. If we've learned anything these past few years, it's that all that matters is getting there. Butler, VCU, George Mason, Wichita State, you can get to the Final Four from a lower seed. And the games in January and February will have a lot more impact on our seeding than what happened last night.

Seriously, it's time to relax, Stewie. Would I rather we won? Sure. But the NCAA season is a marathon, not a sprint. No one goes 40-0. Just ask Kentucky. The team is improving. Guys are learning their roles. Buzz said there would be some early season bumps. This bump was a lot better than the Ohio State bump was. We'll go beat Fullerton and GW and I like our odds against Creighton, SDSU, or an ASU rematch on Sunday. And if we lose, guess what? We'll still make the tournament and this team will still grow.If you're going to freak out before the New Year, at least save it for a rivalry game like Wisconsin. When you throw all your toys out of the crib after every loss, it's just kind of sad and incredibly immature. This is the big boy site. Act like it.



Apparently you don't get it..this was their 2nd Non conference loss...Now what happens if they lose one(or worse yet two or three) this weekend?? Then they lose @ UW, and lose a neutral site game to New Mexico?? No one knows what's going to happen..but we do KNOW they already have two non conference losses..What if by the end of Non conference it's 5 or 6?? Then what?? Your pinning your hopes on winning your conference tournament to get in. It would be much easier if they just won the games they played, don't you agree??

[MU_Iceman]

You don’t go from terrible to really good in one step. Anybody who has ever played sports knows you get incrementally better.

This season we started out really bad…the reasons don’t matter at this point…….last night was a step in the right direction in becoming a good team.Anybody who can’t see that should do themselves a favor and just stop watching the games. If it’s all about winning and losing then just read the box score the next day…it will tell you all you need to know….


You are missing the whole point like everyone else is apparently...I'm not disputing last night wasn't a step in the right direction, but the problem is..how many "steps in the right direction" do you get/have to take before it gets too late and losses have accumulated?? THAT's my point...you can't get losses back. I'm just curious to know what you will all say if they play well in Anaheim this weekend, but lose two games?? Will it then be "well, you can clearly see the team progressing". This after their 3rd and 4th non conference losses were already accumulated?? They can progress all they want, but it would be a hell of a lot better if they did their progressing WHILE winning. That isn't unheard of you know?? Lots and lots of teams do that.

You are right, it will tell me all I need to know...the final score is what matters, isn't it?? I don't watch MU games expecting them to lose, do you?? What fun would that be?? I'm VERY hopeful they will win, and yes in many instances, expect them to win. So when they don't win, wouldn't you say it's fair to be disappointed?? Maybe your the type that doesn't care if they win or lose, don't care if they get in the tourney etc etc. if that's your cup of tea, I don't begrudge you that, but quite frankly, it's not for me.

[TheSultan]

You are missing the whole point like everyone else is apparently...I'm not disputing last night wasn't a step in the right direction, but the problem is..how many "steps in the right direction" do you get/have to take before it gets too late and losses have accumulated??


So you are essentially agreeing that taking steps in the right direction is an important thing to do...which is the exact thing that you called us "sallies" over and then said that we make you "sick" and told us to go "f*ck ourselves." :confused:

Seriously, we get your point. Taking steps in the right direction only matter if they translate to wins. But that doesn't mean that taking those steps aren't important.

[Markedman]

To be fair he told us to go **** ourselves after I said it to him after his first post.

Maybe I was out of line but I get tired of his predictable rants….especially the “They better win the tournament !” …...Like the team owes it to him.


So you are essentially agreeing that taking steps in the right direction is an important thing to do...which is the exact thing that you called us "sallies" over and then said that we make you "sick" and told us to go "f*ck ourselves." :confused:

Seriously, we get your point. Taking steps in the right direction only matter if they translate to wins. But that doesn't mean that taking those steps aren't important.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Apparently you don't get it..this was their 2nd Non conference loss...Now what happens if they lose one(or worse yet two or three) this weekend?? Then they lose @ UW, and lose a neutral site game to New Mexico?? No one knows what's going to happen..but we do KNOW they already have two non conference losses..What if by the end of Non conference it's 5 or 6?? Then what?? Your pinning your hopes on winning your conference tournament to get in. It would be much easier if they just won the games they played, don't you agree??

Stewie, you're thinking about things like a bubble team. When we were TBW, it was a different story. If we go 8-5 in the non-con, I'm still confident we'll go 12-6 or better in the conference and be trending up. 1-2 wins at MSG will lock us into a respectable seed. And if the horror of horrors happens and we miss the tournament, so be it. We'll be back next year and with our recruiting classes be competing for titles in the near future.

I have to assume you're 20-25 years old, Stewie. You don't have much perspective on life or basketball. I suggest you not live and die with every regular season result. It's time to learn from what has happened with Buzz here. We lost 4 non-con games in 2010 and still made the 2011 tourney as an at-large and went to the Sweet 16. We lost 3 non-con games last year and still got a 3-seed and went to the Elite 8.

I'm not pinning my hopes on the conference tournament. I'm pinning my hopes on knowing that Buzz Williams knows how to get this done. He knows how to grow a team and how to have them both ready and playing in the NCAAs. And he certainly doesn't panic because of one result in November.

[MUAlphaBangura]

You may not make a Final four in November, but November is when resumes are starting to be built, and seeds are starting to grow. A loss in November, or a loss in February, it's still a loss. The committee remembers who you lost too 5 months earlier, I remember who they lost two 5 months ago, or years ago. I'm just competitive, whether I'm playing something or not. Hopefully, they can win the tourney this weekend, and I will look like a total fool. I hope they do. I hope they prove me wrong, and give you all more ammo to beat me up. Nothing would make me happier.

Regardless of how they do in the tourney this weekend, you will still look like a total fool.

[pbiflyer]

77, well put. In the not to distant past, our teams never really grew and progressed as the season went on.
Some of these guys remind me of the town folk in Hoosiers, ready to run the coach out of town.....

[MUMac]

77, well put. In the not to distant past, our teams never really grew and progressed as the season went on.
Some of these guys remind me of the town folk in Hoosiers, ready to run the coach out of town.....

One of these guys, not some of these guys.

[MU_Iceman]

One of these guys, not some of these guys.


Okay now this is a TOTAL stretch, and completely UNTRUE. Where the hell did I say ANYTHING about wanting Buzz gone?? No where, because I never said it, I never implied it and it couldn't be further from the truth, but thanks for making that assumption. I love Buzz, always have loved buzz and thinks he does a great job. I didn't know me being angry/disappointed/upset with losing means I want him gone. There is ZERO wrong with being upset over losing. Who likes/wants to lose?? Do players?? hell no. Do Coaches?? Hell no! Do fans?? None that i know of. When you are competitive, you BETTER hate to lose at anything, anytime. I'd hate losing if I was playing a game of hangman or tic tac toe with someone no less than I hate seeing MU lose a BB game.

[MU_Iceman]

Stewie, you're thinking about things like a bubble team. When we were TBW, it was a different story. If we go 8-5 in the non-con, I'm still confident we'll go 12-6 or better in the conference and be trending up. 1-2 wins at MSG will lock us into a respectable seed. And if the horror of horrors happens and we miss the tournament, so be it. We'll be back next year and with our recruiting classes be competing for titles in the near future.

I have to assume you're 20-25 years old, Stewie. You don't have much perspective on life or basketball. I suggest you not live and die with every regular season result. It's time to learn from what has happened with Buzz here. We lost 4 non-con games in 2010 and still made the 2011 tourney as an at-large and went to the Sweet 16. We lost 3 non-con games last year and still got a 3-seed and went to the Elite 8.

I'm not pinning my hopes on the conference tournament. I'm pinning my hopes on knowing that Buzz Williams knows how to get this done. He knows how to grow a team and how to have them both ready and playing in the NCAAs. And he certainly doesn't panic because of one result in November.

You know what they say about making assumptions, right?? So please refrain. I don't need a "lesson" on anything from you. I know all about what has happened since Buzz has been here, thank you very much. I think buzz does a terrific job. This has nothing to do with him or me not thinking he's not getting it done etc. It has to do with...I HATE losing, at anything to anyone, at anytime. Period. Maybe you aren't a competitive person, and can't understand that concept? Maybe you never played a second of competitive sports(probably not, you were too busy watching cartoons even in HS)?? Maybe you don't know/care about winning or losing?? I don't know you, so I'm not going to judge you, I'd appreciate you do the same for me, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me Stewie(the fact you even know who he is, because i have no idea says something). And mostly, I'd appreciate you not try to give me a lesson on basketball. I have forgotten more than you will ever know. I'm pretty positive about that. Have a nice day!

[MUMac]

Okay now this is a TOTAL stretch, and completely UNTRUE. Where the hell did I say ANYTHING about wanting Buzz gone?? No where, because I never said it, I never implied it and it couldn't be further from the truth, but thanks for making that assumption. I love Buzz, always have loved buzz and thinks he does a great job. I didn't know me being angry/disappointed/upset with losing means I want him gone. There is ZERO wrong with being upset over losing. Who likes/wants to lose?? Do players?? hell no. Do Coaches?? Hell no! Do fans?? None that i know of. When you are competitive, you BETTER hate to lose at anything, anytime. I'd hate losing if I was playing a game of hangman or tic tac toe with someone no less than I hate seeing MU lose a BB game.

I have played, I have coached, I am a fan. In all cases I have always taught to lose with class. Something that apparently has not been taught to you.

I have said to you in the past, stay away from the board after a loss. You really should consider a 24 hour waiting period after a loss, 24 days if it is a loss to UW.

[warriorfan4life]

I have played, I have coached, I am a fan. In all cases I have always taught to lose with class. Something that apparently has not been taught to you.

I have said to you in the past, stay away from the board after a loss. You really should consider a 24 hour waiting period after a loss, 24 days if it is a loss to UW.

24 years just to be totally safe.

[ziggysfryboy]

24 years just to be totally safe.

24 decades even!

[MU_Iceman]

I have played, I have coached, I am a fan. In all cases I have always taught to lose with class. Something that apparently has not been taught to you.

I have said to you in the past, stay away from the board after a loss. You really should consider a 24 hour waiting period after a loss, 24 days if it is a loss to UW.


Thanks for the sage advice. I will take that under advisement! Here's a better idea, how about I just not have to worry about them losing, or at least not a lot, then none of us have any problems. :D That's the best idea, I think.

[pbiflyer]

One of these guys, not some of these guys.

I was including scoop.

[MUMac]

I was including scoop.

Ah, that is a game changer, then. I try to stay away from scoop or at the least, limit my thread reading there.

[pbiflyer]

Ah, that is a game changer, then. I try to stay away from scoop or at the least, limit my thread reading there.

I do after any loss that is for sure. Every once in a while drop by, but am quickly reminded why I don't go there very often.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

You know what they say about making assumptions, right?? So please refrain. I don't need a "lesson" on anything from you. I know all about what has happened since Buzz has been here, thank you very much. I think buzz does a terrific job. This has nothing to do with him or me not thinking he's not getting it done etc. It has to do with...I HATE losing, at anything to anyone, at anytime. Period. Maybe you aren't a competitive person, and can't understand that concept? Maybe you never played a second of competitive sports(probably not, you were too busy watching cartoons even in HS)?? Maybe you don't know/care about winning or losing?? I don't know you, so I'm not going to judge you, I'd appreciate you do the same for me, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me Stewie(the fact you even know who he is, because i have no idea says something). And mostly, I'd appreciate you not try to give me a lesson on basketball. I have forgotten more than you will ever know. I'm pretty positive about that. Have a nice day!

Stewie, your entire post is laughable. This has nothing to do with you being competitive, it has to do with you pouting. You aren't out there doing anything, you aren't involved whatsoever, so YOU are not losing. If you can't influence the outcome, you aren't the one winning or losing. Regardless, like Mac said, you win and lose with class. Enjoy a win, be disappointed in a loss, but don't gloat when you win and don't throw your toys out of the tub when you lose.

And I'll stop calling you Stewie as soon as you stop acting like a talking baby. Based on your history on this board, that will be sometime between December and January. Of 2027. Demand respect and you'll get nothing. That has to be earned.

[TheSultan]

Thanks for the sage advice. I will take that under advisement! Here's a better idea, how about I just not have to worry about them losing, or at least not a lot, then none of us have any problems. :D That's the best idea, I think.

But not the most realistic one.