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mufan2003
06-12-2019, 11:34 AM
A few weeks early. Always have to take reports like this with a grain of salt, but interesting if true.
https://twitter.com/brewcitypaul/status/1138129773996191745
Goose85
06-12-2019, 11:47 AM
I just hope the Bucks don't overpay for Middleton. He should not get top level free agent max type money.
We want to keep our core, but if you are planning to give a guy a max deal, then try to get a max deal type player. I see Middleton in a next group of players after the top max free agent guys.
mufansince72
06-12-2019, 12:00 PM
I just hope the Bucks don't overpay for Middleton. He should not get top level free agent max type money.
We want to keep our core, but if you are planning to give a guy a max deal, then try to get a max deal type player. I see Middleton in a next group of players after the top max free agent guys.
Problem is there are about 20 max slots available, and only about four free agents out there worth the max salary, and one of them just tore his Achilles. Someone is going to pay Middleton, and we would not be able to replace him it we lose him. Keep in mind even a guy like Jabari Parker got 20 million last year, albeit really only on a one year deal.
Goose85
06-12-2019, 12:10 PM
Problem is there are about 20 max slots available, and only about four free agents out there worth the max salary, and one of them just tore his Achilles. Someone is going to pay Middleton, and we would not be able to replace him it we lose him. Keep in mind even a guy like Jabari Parker got 20 million last year, albeit really only on a one year deal.
That is my concern, far more slots than players deserving of the money. I'm ok with giving Middleton money, but have to make sure it is reasonable so we can sign others too. I think a lot of teams will be giving out big money contracts this offseason, and two years from now will be tying to unload those players.
mufansince72
06-12-2019, 12:34 PM
That is my concern, far more slots than players deserving of the money. I'm ok with giving Middleton money, but have to make sure it is reasonable so we can sign others too. I think a lot of teams will be giving out big money contracts this offseason, and two years from now will be tying to unload those players.
To me it is not a matter of how much he gets, it is more of an issue of how much luxury tax are the Bucks owners willing to swallow. The NBA salary cap is designed to let you keep your best players if they want to stay. Losing Khris does not create cap room to go out and get other free agents. The Bucks can go over the cap as much as they want to resign guys like Middleton and Brogdon. Bucks are most likely going to have to overpay to keep both because the market is very soft. If they time the contract signings in the right way they probably would also be able to sign Lopez. I'm not worried about two years from now, because if we are in a position to have to unload a max Khris contract, it probably also means we don't have Giannis, and a complete rebuild would most likely be necessary. I personally think Khris gets a bad rap, and he actually needs to be encouraged to shoot more, including some of the analytically bad two pointers that he is deadly at, that coach didn't want him taking.
mufan2003
06-12-2019, 01:38 PM
Bucks have the unique ability, owning Middleton's Bird Rights, to exceed the cap to re-sign him. The CBA makes it easier to retain your own versus signing free agents who were with other teams. The Bucks could practically re-sign everyone, but then you are talking about how much luxury tax you are willing to spend. Quite honestly, despite a career year from Bledsoe, he would have been the guy I would not have worried about re-signing. Middleton, Brogdon and Lopez would have been the priorities. Bledsoe is good, a great defender, but deep in the playoffs, when it becomes more of a half-court game, Bledsoe's offense can struggle (saw that against Toronto).
I also believe DiVincenzo and Wilson can take the next steps and be part of the rotation in next season's playoffs.
mufansince72
06-12-2019, 01:51 PM
Bucks have the unique ability, owning Middleton's Bird Rights, to exceed the cap to re-sign him. The CBA makes it easier to retain your own versus signing free agents who were with other teams. The Bucks could practically re-sign everyone, but then you are talking about how much luxury tax you are willing to spend. Quite honestly, despite a career year from Bledsoe, he would have been the guy I would not have worried about re-signing. Middleton, Brogdon and Lopez would have been the priorities. Bledsoe is good, a great defender, but deep in the playoffs, when it becomes more of a half-court game, Bledsoe's offense can struggle (saw that against Toronto).
I also believe DiVincenzo and Wilson can take the next steps and be part of the rotation in next season's playoffs.
Bledsoe signed a very team friendly deal, and that contract would be easy to move if they were ever so inclined.
mufan2003
06-12-2019, 02:03 PM
Bledsoe signed a very team friendly deal, and that contract would be easy to move if they were ever so inclined.
It is not a bad deal ($17 or $18 million), I agree. As long as it doesn't prevent them from keeping Brogdon or Lopez. Bledsoe is a guy that is available and plays very good defense throughout a long season.
mufansince72
06-12-2019, 02:07 PM
It is not a bad deal ($17 or $18 million), I agree. As long as it doesn't prevent them from keeping Brogdon or Lopez. Bledsoe is a guy that is available and plays very good defense throughout a long season.
I think I am about 50 50 on the Bucks chances of keeping Brogdon. I just have this feeling he wants to be somewhere else. If that is indeed the case, Bucks better figure out a way to keep George Hill.
Goose85
06-12-2019, 02:41 PM
I think I am about 50 50 on the Bucks chances of keeping Brogdon. I just have this feeling he wants to be somewhere else. If that is indeed the case, Bucks better figure out a way to keep George Hill.
I think Hill is the kind of guy that has made the big money (ending an $18 mil per year deal), and may stay for a more reasonable $10 mil type deal if he really did enjoy playing here. Hill has bounced around a bit the last few years being on 5 teams in 4 years.
Brogdan is restricted, but some team may make it difficult to keep him. I really like the Brogdan, Bledsoe, Hill trio and hope we can keep them all. I think Lopez is a key too.
As was stated earlier, a lot of this depends on what the Bucks owners are willing to spend.
mufansince72
06-12-2019, 04:56 PM
Check out the tax penalties the Warriors will pay if they decide to offer KD an extension
Warriors With Durant
SEASON SALARY TAX TOTAL
2019-20 $176.2M $203.5M $379.7M
2020-21 $180.2M $169.8M $350.0M
2021-22 $196.2M $231.6M $427.8M
2022-23 $203.2M $229.0M $432.0M
Total $1.59B
Goose85
06-12-2019, 05:12 PM
Check out the tax penalties the Warriors will pay if they decide to offer KD an extension
Warriors With Durant
SEASON SALARY TAX TOTAL
2019-20 $176.2M $203.5M $379.7M
2020-21 $180.2M $169.8M $350.0M
2021-22 $196.2M $231.6M $427.8M
2022-23 $203.2M $229.0M $432.0M
Total $1.59B
And now you can see why owners may not want to go over the luxury cap. In three of the four years listed, the tax is greater than the actual salary paid.
Here is something from Hoops Hype on the tax.
https://hoopshype.com/2018/10/11/nba-luxury-tax/
MUfan12
06-14-2019, 09:30 AM
I'd have to think Klay's injury (though terrible) is good news for Khris. If he wasn't before, he's damn near guaranteed to get maxed by somebody.
Goose85
06-14-2019, 09:54 AM
Between KD and Klay, there is going to be a lot of money spent on players that won't see much of the court next season.
If you are the Knicks do you offer both, have them sit out, and get another lottery pick next season and then shoot for the following year as the big year?
It will just be interesting to see what happens with both of those players.
mufan2003
06-19-2019, 11:33 AM
More on Middleton. Says Bucks and Middleton expected to work towards a new deal. Hopefully not the max:
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141361656703926277
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141361811540852736
Goose85
06-19-2019, 12:17 PM
More on Middleton. Says Bucks and Middleton expected to work towards a new deal. Hopefully not the max:
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141361656703926277
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141361811540852736
Shouldn't get even close to the Max. Perfect time to have an all star year. If Middleton and Lopez is what it takes to keep Giannis, then I'm ok. Just hope we don't regret this one.
MUfan12
06-19-2019, 12:31 PM
Lopez will be interesting... sounds like there are a few teams willing to go 4/50+ for him. I don't know if the Bucks need to do that.
If Memphis waives Korver, I'd absolutely let Niko walk and kick the tires there on a reasonable deal.
mufan2003
06-19-2019, 01:16 PM
Lopez will be interesting... sounds like there are a few teams willing to go 4/50+ for him. I don't know if the Bucks need to do that.
If Memphis waives Korver, I'd absolutely let Niko walk and kick the tires there on a reasonable deal.
I remember reading/hearing the Bucks tried to trade for Korver during last season. Played for Budenholzer in Atlanta. Also interesting that Horford has opted out, rumors that he is done in Boston.
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1141384699505512449
Goose85
06-19-2019, 01:27 PM
I remember reading/hearing the Bucks tried to trade for Korver during last season. Played for Budenholzer in Atlanta. Also interesting that Horford has opted out, rumors that he is done in Boston.
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1141384699505512449
If Kawhi goes to the Clippers, then the Bucks owners should see $$$ in their eyes and a pretty good path to the NBA finals. Go over the luxury tax limit to keep the team in tact (and keep Giannis happy). Kawhi leaves Toronto for Clippers, Kyrie leaves Boston for the Nets, Horford moves on, Jimmy Butler goes elsewhere. If the Bucks bring their guys back, who is the main competition for the Eastern Conference Finals?
My guess is Lopez take a deal just under the 4 for 50 to stay in MKE. Middleton comes back for just under the max, Brogdan comes back, overpriced, but Bucks have to match. Hill takes the $1 buyout, and comes back for just under $10 mil. I'd also watch to see if Memphis waives Korver as you suggest, could be an interesting piece.
The Bucks are in a perfect spot in the East if the owners don't mind spending a few $$.
mufansince72
06-19-2019, 11:53 PM
Bucks just dumped Snell and the 30th pick to Detroit for Leuer. Saves about 2.5 million on this years cap in salary difference, plus the cap hold of the draft pick. Got out from under Snell's second year of about 12 M. Bucks could theoretically waive Leuer and use stretch him over three years and create 6.5 million more in cap space, or even look to trade Leuer for something else.
mufan2003
06-20-2019, 12:41 AM
Bucks just dumped Snell and the 30th pick to Detroit for Leuer. Saves about 2.5 million on this years cap in salary difference, plus the cap hold of the draft pick. Got out from under Snell's second year of about 12 M. Bucks could theoretically waive Leuer and use stretch him over three years and create 6.5 million more in cap space, or even look to trade Leuer for something else.
Solid move. Bucks' focus is clearly Free Agency and retaining their own. Based on Jon Horst's press conference today, it sounds like the owners have no problem in paying top dollar to keep this team intact (and be one of the contenders).
No KD and no KT next season. What does Kawhi do? A great opportunity, especially if Giannis continues to diversify his game in the offseason. It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
mufan2003
06-27-2019, 12:06 PM
Boston the front-runner for Kemba.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1144227344892272647
AbovetheRim
06-30-2019, 10:51 AM
No idea what Boston is doing. You drop one ball dominant PG for an even more ball dominant PG. Kemba is worse in nearly every statistical category that matters, is older and isn't the type of PG that's going to help facilitate the development of Brown and Tatum. The last point should be the priority for them, IMO. Happy for the Bucks because this one makes me scratch my head.
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 05:40 PM
Durant and Irving to the Nets
Lopez and Middleton 5-year, $178M deal re sign with the Bucks.
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 05:42 PM
Terry Rozier has agreed to a 3-year, $58M deal with the Hornets
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 06:04 PM
JJ Redick has agreed to a two-year, $26.5M deal to join the New Orleans Pelicans
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 06:06 PM
Derrick Rose has agreed to a two-year, $15M deal to join the Detroit Pistons
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 06:07 PM
Jonas Valanciunas has agreed to a three-year, $45M deal to return to the Memphis Grizzlies
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 06:08 PM
Kemba Walker has agreed to sign a four-year, $141M maximum contract to join the Boston Celtics,
mufan2003
06-30-2019, 06:36 PM
Khris Middleton back with the Bucks. 5 years/$178 million. Lopez expected to re-sign for 4 years/$52 million.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27083386/khris-middleton-why-staying-milwaukee
https://www.brewhoop.com/2019/6/30/20497884/report-milwaukee-bucks-and-brook-lopez-agree-on-4-year-52m-contract
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 06:41 PM
Malcolm Brogdon has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal with Indiana.
Indiana is trading a first-round and two future second round picks to the Milwaukee for Malcolm Brogdon.
mufan2003
06-30-2019, 06:41 PM
Brogdon is gone. A bit disappointed by that. Bucks might be worried about his recent injuries.Traded to Indiana for a 1st round pick and two 2nd round picks.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145459555712884736?s=19
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145459690391973889?s=19
mufan2003
06-30-2019, 06:43 PM
Brogdon gone might allow George Hill to return now.
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 06:45 PM
Indiana's Bojan Bogdanovic has agreed to a four-year, $73M deal with the Utah Jazz
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 06:46 PM
Garrett Temple has agreed to a two-year, $10M deal with Brooklyn
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 06:46 PM
Terrence Ross has agreed to a four-year, $54M deal to return to the Orlando Magic.
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 07:13 PM
Free agent forward Tobias Harris has agreed to a five-year, $180M contract to return to the Philadelphia 76ers
mufan2003
06-30-2019, 07:32 PM
Durant to Brooklyn and Brogdon to Indiana have been the biggest surprises so far. $21 million/year for Brogdon proved to be too steep a price for the Bucks.
Bring back George Hill and an opportunity for Donte DiVincenzo to take on a bigger role.
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 07:55 PM
Julius Randle agreeing to a $63M deal with the New York Knicks.
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 08:52 PM
George Hill has agreed to a 3-year, $29M deal to stay with Milwaukee
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 09:25 PM
Al Horford has agreed to a four-year, $109M deal with the Philadelphia 76ers,
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 09:26 PM
Taj Gibson has agreed to a two-year, $20M deal with the Knicks
MU/Panther
06-30-2019, 09:28 PM
Heat are finalizing a sign-and-trade with the 76ers to acquire Jimmy Butler.
mufan2003
06-30-2019, 09:40 PM
Al Horford has agreed to a four-year, $109M deal with the Philadelphia 76ers,
Very nice get, I'm a fan of Horford.
mufan2003
06-30-2019, 09:44 PM
Nikola Mirotic returning to Europe. Kind of surprising given the fact multiple teams were interested.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145461765356052482?s=19
mufan2003
06-30-2019, 09:46 PM
Heat are finalizing a sign-and-trade with the 76ers to acquire Jimmy Butler.
Yep, another former MU player headed to South Beach.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145498967926562816?s=19
AbovetheRim
07-01-2019, 10:31 AM
Very nice get, I'm a fan of Horford.
Maybe but that deal aging well may prove to be wishful thinking.
CaribouJim
07-01-2019, 10:33 AM
Heat are finalizing a sign-and-trade with the 76ers to acquire Jimmy Butler.
Didn't I see that DWade would come out of retirement if the Heat signed Jimmy B or was that only in tongue in cheek? I hope so.
CaribouJim
07-01-2019, 10:36 AM
Nikola Mirotic returning to Europe. Kind of surprising given the fact multiple teams were interested.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145461765356052482?s=19
I was real surprised on this as well.
mufan2003
07-01-2019, 11:23 AM
Maybe but that deal aging well may prove to be wishful thinking.
Good point. He will be 34 under the first year of the contact. Also, the loss of Butler and Redick is significant. A lot of change in the East, now all eyes on what Kawhi does.
MU/Panther
07-01-2019, 04:16 PM
Marquette star now a Buck.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145786801044500480
mufansince72
07-01-2019, 04:28 PM
Love it.
mufan2003
07-01-2019, 04:31 PM
Marquette star now a Buck.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145786801044500480
Nice! Sounds like it's for the veteran's minimum. If Wes can stay healthy, that could end up being one of the better signings for the money.
Goose85
07-01-2019, 04:51 PM
Nice! Sounds like it's for the veteran's minimum. If Wes can stay healthy, that could end up being one of the better signings for the money.
Agree. A really good veteran who can certainly make up for the loss of Brogdan.
Also key is Wes is a pretty good guy, so should go well in the locker room.
mufan2003
07-03-2019, 11:36 AM
With Kawhi looking at Toronto, Lakers and Clippers, I hope he chooses the Clippers. I wouldn't mind him staying in Toronto, I think Milwaukee was as much at fault for blowing a 2-0 lead as Toronto was for winning it. Just don't want to see him join the Lakers. LeBron, Kawhi and Anthony Davis would seem as insurmountable, if not more, than Golden State with Durant or the Heat with LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Allen.
Goose85
07-03-2019, 12:24 PM
With Kawhi looking at Toronto, Lakers and Clippers, I hope he chooses the Clippers. I wouldn't mind him staying in Toronto, I think Milwaukee was as much at fault for blowing a 2-0 lead as Toronto was for winning it. Just don't want to see him join the Lakers. LeBron, Kawhi and Anthony Davis would seem as insurmountable, if not more, than Golden State with Durant or the Heat with LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Allen.
Agree. I do hope Kawhi goes to the Clippers. Should really set up for some good battles in the West, and provide one less star for the Bucks to deal with to get to the NBA finals.
Lebron, Kawhi, AD and also Kuzma, pencil them in for champs now.
mufansince72
07-03-2019, 09:31 PM
Pretty sure Kawhi stays in Toronto. That may actually help Bucks get Korver, because he probably goes to Lakers if Leonard ends up there.
mufan2003
07-03-2019, 11:11 PM
Pretty sure Kawhi stays in Toronto. That may actually help Bucks get Korver, because he probably goes to Lakers if Leonard ends up there.
More on Korver. Sounds like he will be bought out by Phoenix. Budenholzer coached Korver in Atlanta, had a good relationship, and Korver was selected as an All-Star reserve under Budenholzer.
https://in.nba.com/news/report-los-angeles-lakers-milwaukee-bucks-philadelphia-76ers-targeting-kyle-korver-after-trade/1xrz47ynojpfi1ueaadz88px0k
https://behindthebuckpass.com/2019/07/03/milwaukee-bucks-rumors-bucks-among-kyle-korver-frontrunners/
AbovetheRim
07-06-2019, 01:52 PM
Agree. A really good veteran who can certainly make up for the loss of Brogdan.
Also key is Wes is a pretty good guy, so should go well in the locker room.
This seems like a real stretch. The signing of Wes would likely be viewed as a low risk, depth move by the fanbase if he didn't play at MU. I'm just hoping after all of the injuries that Wes has something left in the tank as a 10 minute, 3 and D guy. Conversely, we're talking about an uber efficient, 50/40/90 guy who is also capable of playing lock down D and big minutes in Brogdon. IMO, there is a zero percent chance that Wes can "certainly make up for the loss of Brogdon."
Goose85
07-06-2019, 02:39 PM
This seems like a real stretch. The signing of Wes would likely be viewed as a low risk, depth move by the fanbase if he didn't play at MU. I'm just hoping after all of the injuries that Wes has something left in the tank as a 10 minute, 3 and D guy. Conversely, we're talking about an uber efficient, 50/40/90 guy who is also capable of playing lock down D and big minutes in Brogdon. IMO, there is a zero percent chance that Wes can "certainly make up for the loss of Brogdon."
You can't keep everyone. When you factor in the cost of Brogdon, being able to bring back Hill and then adding Wes on a min wage deal, I think that combo can make up for the loss of Brogdon.
mufan2003
07-06-2019, 03:40 PM
Kawhi to the Clippers, and Paul George. I really thought it would be the Lakers or Toronto. I think it's good for the league that he didn't go to the Lakers.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/columnist/jeff-zillgitt/2019/07/06/kawhi-leonard-paul-george-los-angeles-clippers/1663575001/
AbovetheRim
07-06-2019, 04:05 PM
You can't keep everyone. When you factor in the cost of Brogdon, being able to bring back Hill and then adding Wes on a min wage deal, I think that combo can make up for the loss of Brogdon.
To the contrary, they could have kept everyone it just would have vaulted them into the luxury tax threshold to do so (which they said they were willing to do). As for the rest of your post, they already had Hill so Hill will be replacing his own production which by default leaves us to Wes replacing Brogdon's production. Personally, I really don't think Wes is going to see the court much and believe if anyone is going to replace MB's production, it will be from one or both of DiVincenzo or Sterling Brown stepping up.
MUAlphaBangura
07-06-2019, 04:21 PM
To the contrary, they could have kept everyone it just would have vaulted them into the luxury tax threshold to do so (which they said they were willing to do). As for the rest of your post, they already had Hill so Hill will be replacing his own production which by default leaves us to Wes replacing Brogdon's production. Personally, I really don't think Wes is going to see the court much and believe if anyone is going to replace MB's production, it will be from one or both of DiVincenzo or Sterling Brown stepping up.
I tend to agree with Goose on this. Do you think they should have kept Brogdon at over $21 mil/year with him being somewhat injury prone? I think you are overstating Brogdon's defensive ability. Are you saying Hill playing some extra minutes( if he plays at the level he did in the playoffs) will not be adequate? Imo, DD certainly could elevate his game but SB is much more likely to be the guy that doesn't see the court much.
Wesley played a pretty important role for the Pacers at the end of last season. I think he will have a similar role with the Bucks. Could well be there best defensive guard.
AbovetheRim
07-06-2019, 11:14 PM
I tend to agree with Goose on this. Do you think they should have kept Brogdon at over $21 mil/year with him being somewhat injury prone? I think you are overstating Brogdon's defensive ability. Are you saying Hill playing some extra minutes( if he plays at the level he did in the playoffs) will not be adequate? Imo, DD certainly could elevate his game but SB is much more likely to be the guy that doesn't see the court much.
Wesley played a pretty important role for the Pacers at the end of last season. I think he will have a similar role with the Bucks. Could well be there best defensive guard.
Pretty important role? The only objective factor, the numbers, absolutely destroy your argument but here goes. Wes had a PER of 10.37 last year and a VA of -1.5 while Sterling Brown had a PER of 10.93 and a VA of 6.7. Wes shot 9-30 in the playoffs last year and had the lowest PER of any SG averaging 25MPG or more in the league in the entire 2019 playoffs. SB started playoff games in Brogdon's absence all while DD was proving every chance he was given that he couldn't shoot all year long so I think it's a moot point that SB at a minimum begins the year ahead of DD on the depth chart. This and you're saying 33 year old George Hill's production is going to go up with additional minutes? Since when do 30+ year old, non superstar players get better with more minutes in the NBA? Not many NBA insiders would argue with me that Brogdon's D and is solidly above average and much better than an about to be 33 year old, declining Wes Matthews' D.
Step away from the MU connection and you'll realize this was a depth move, not a move for Wes to play big minutes and the fact that he signed for the league minimum seems to validate that point. Zero risk for the Bucks and if he's fallen off the cliff by the time training camp rolls around, very easy to move on.
mufan2003
07-07-2019, 01:45 PM
Keeping Giannis happy.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1147905246812753920?s=19
Goose85
07-08-2019, 09:10 AM
Pretty important role? The only objective factor, the numbers, absolutely destroy your argument but here goes. Wes had a PER of 10.37 last year and a VA of -1.5 while Sterling Brown had a PER of 10.93 and a VA of 6.7. Wes shot 9-30 in the playoffs last year and had the lowest PER of any SG averaging 25MPG or more in the league in the entire 2019 playoffs. SB started playoff games in Brogdon's absence all while DD was proving every chance he was given that he couldn't shoot all year long so I think it's a moot point that SB at a minimum begins the year ahead of DD on the depth chart. This and you're saying 33 year old George Hill's production is going to go up with additional minutes? Since when do 30+ year old, non superstar players get better with more minutes in the NBA? Not many NBA insiders would argue with me that Brogdon's D and is solidly above average and much better than an about to be 33 year old, declining Wes Matthews' D.
Step away from the MU connection and you'll realize this was a depth move, not a move for Wes to play big minutes and the fact that he signed for the league minimum seems to validate that point. Zero risk for the Bucks and if he's fallen off the cliff by the time training camp rolls around, very easy to move on.
I think Brogdan, with his injury history, made $21 mil for four years a tough contract. I actually think the key to that trade was getting some draft picks. The Bucks have no first and no second rounder next year and I think no second the following year. By adding some draft picks they also added some flexibility in trade chips.
Bucks owners likely don't want to pay the luxury tax, so move Brogdan and in his spot play Hill and Wes / get 3 draft picks, and in that grouping you save $10 mil per year.
MUfan12
07-08-2019, 12:17 PM
One wanted to stay, one didn't jive with the coach and wanted out. So Bled got his contract and Brogdon was gonna walk. The fact that they got 3 picks out of it was incredible.
Two very telling quotes from his presser in Indy:
“It’s an organization where I immediately feel extremely valued."
“I think point guard is my best position; not even having the ball in my hands, it’s just about being able to make decisions, being able to influence what happens on the floor, and bring guys together and lead them to win.”
MU/Panther
07-11-2019, 10:33 PM
Oklahoma City Thunder have agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets for Chris Paul, first-round picks in 2024 and 2026, pick swaps in 2021 and 2025.
OKC has acquired EIGHT first-round picks since draft night: 2020: Denver (1-10), 2021: Miami; 2022: LAC; 2023: Miami (1-14), 2024: LAC; 2024: Houston (1-14); 2026: LAC; 2026: Houston (1-4).
mufan2003
07-12-2019, 01:11 PM
Updated odds on who wins the 2020 NBA championship.
https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1149705464680239104
mufan2003
07-12-2019, 01:59 PM
Oklahoma City Thunder have agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets for Chris Paul, first-round picks in 2024 and 2026, pick swaps in 2021 and 2025.
OKC has acquired EIGHT first-round picks since draft night: 2020: Denver (1-10), 2021: Miami; 2022: LAC; 2023: Miami (1-14), 2024: LAC; 2024: Houston (1-14); 2026: LAC; 2026: Houston (1-4).
Upon hearing of this trade news, the NBA Rules Committee immediately announced that games will now be played with two basketballs instead of one.
Goose85
07-12-2019, 04:47 PM
Upon hearing of this trade news, the NBA Rules Committee immediately announced that games will now be played with two basketballs instead of one.
I would not want to be the coach in Houston.
Haven't heard anything on Korver. I think he would be a great addition to the Bucks.
mufan2003
07-13-2019, 01:34 AM
I would not want to be the coach in Houston.
Haven't heard anything on Korver. I think he would be a great addition to the Bucks.
Kawhi announced his decision last Saturday (early AM). I am sure Korver is being heavily courted. The Bucks wanted to trade for him last season. Korver is from California, and had great success with LeBron.
However, his best season was under Mike Budenholder (14-15). All-Star Reserve. I am sure the respective teams are working hard right now. Can LA get out of the West? With Korver, Bucks are favorite in the East.
mufan2003
07-18-2019, 09:59 PM
Meeting with JR Smith.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1151892819478548481?s=19
MUAlphaBangura
07-20-2019, 12:40 PM
Kyle Korver agrees to a 1 year contract with the Bucks. Great leadership and depth move.
mufan2003
07-20-2019, 05:35 PM
Kyle Korver agrees to a 1 year contract with the Bucks. Great leadership and depth move.
Great news! This was big. Bucks will be able to stretch the floor nicely with Korver, Matthews and Middleton.
mufan2003
07-21-2019, 03:30 PM
https://clutchpoints.com/sixers-news-kyle-korvers-relationship-with-mike-budenholzer-played-role-in-him-choosing-bucks-over-philadelphia/
Goose85
07-22-2019, 10:26 AM
He is what the Bucks needed, a top line 3 point shooter. That is a skill set we really needed in the playoffs.
Giannis drives and dishes to another weapon. Our team and playing in the East should enable Kover to play reasonable minutes in the regular season to ensure he has his legs in the playoffs.
I really thought losing Redick was a big loss for Philly. They have a lot of skilled players, but Redick was their knock down three point shooter. Our getting Korver not only helps the Bucks, but it also takes another chip away from Philly.
MUAlphaBangura
09-09-2020, 08:53 AM
Pretty important role? The only objective factor, the numbers, absolutely destroy your argument but here goes. Wes had a PER of 10.37 last year and a VA of -1.5 while Sterling Brown had a PER of 10.93 and a VA of 6.7. Wes shot 9-30 in the playoffs last year and had the lowest PER of any SG averaging 25MPG or more in the league in the entire 2019 playoffs. SB started playoff games in Brogdon's absence all while DD was proving every chance he was given that he couldn't shoot all year long so I think it's a moot point that SB at a minimum begins the year ahead of DD on the depth chart. This and you're saying 33 year old George Hill's production is going to go up with additional minutes? Since when do 30+ year old, non superstar players get better with more minutes in the NBA? Not many NBA insiders would argue with me that Brogdon's D and is solidly above average and much better than an about to be 33 year old, declining Wes Matthews' D.
Step away from the MU connection and you'll realize this was a depth move, not a move for Wes to play big minutes and the fact that he signed for the league minimum seems to validate that point. Zero risk for the Bucks and if he's fallen off the cliff by the time training camp rolls around, very easy to move on.
Destroyed? Care to reevaluate now that the season is over?
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